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		<title>By: 1 crazy the rest correct? 1 correct the rest crazy?</title>
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		<dc:creator>1 crazy the rest correct? 1 correct the rest crazy?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can they make this claim about our society&#039;s protectors? Wait! they even have a tendency to accuse their own of being infiltrators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can they make this claim about our society&#8217;s protectors? Wait! they even have a tendency to accuse their own of being infiltrators.</p>
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		<title>By: To attack you must know their history better than them, to defend you must know your own history</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2009/10/csun-mecha-members-claim-harassment-by-undercover-lapd-officers/comment-page-3/#comment-44118</link>
		<dc:creator>To attack you must know their history better than them, to defend you must know your own history</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicano/a Studies is a major chosen by many, but the huge majority of these students do not join mecha because they know these students tend to be racist, not productive, and have the lowest gpa within the major.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicano/a Studies is a major chosen by many, but the huge majority of these students do not join mecha because they know these students tend to be racist, not productive, and have the lowest gpa within the major.</p>
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		<title>By: A true witness</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2009/10/csun-mecha-members-claim-harassment-by-undercover-lapd-officers/comment-page-3/#comment-32429</link>
		<dc:creator>A true witness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, and the CSUN Chief seems like a coward for the statement given. What was that weak comment about?  The LAPD is a police department in the State of California, I want them here on our campus, ANYTIME the want to come here, essp[ecially if I am being protected be a weak Chief like the one at CSUN-PD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, and the CSUN Chief seems like a coward for the statement given. What was that weak comment about?  The LAPD is a police department in the State of California, I want them here on our campus, ANYTIME the want to come here, essp[ecially if I am being protected be a weak Chief like the one at CSUN-PD.</p>
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		<title>By: A true witness</title>
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		<dc:creator>A true witness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing to me just how racist MEChA is across the board.  There might be a .01% of the Police Officers out there that are questionable, but 100% of all MEChA supporters and members are a bunch of racist scum.  And the language and actions of all of the MEChA members on this day were the status quo, with one exeption, the guy sitting down.  Even the kids were acting like savages!  It was disgusting, and it was nothing bu hispanic panic.  Get over it MEChA, Texas, Arizona, California and New Mexico and part of the United States of America.  Suck it up and move on.  If your people are truly concerned about the well being of your people, go back down to Mexico and save your homeland from the drug dealers.  You show just how much you care by your failure to go back and save your people from the murderous cartels down there.  Youo are all a bunch frauds with zero pride!  
   And still, no appology from MEChA to the LAPD and CSUN for the gutter like actions of these malcontents?  That says it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing to me just how racist MEChA is across the board.  There might be a .01% of the Police Officers out there that are questionable, but 100% of all MEChA supporters and members are a bunch of racist scum.  And the language and actions of all of the MEChA members on this day were the status quo, with one exeption, the guy sitting down.  Even the kids were acting like savages!  It was disgusting, and it was nothing bu hispanic panic.  Get over it MEChA, Texas, Arizona, California and New Mexico and part of the United States of America.  Suck it up and move on.  If your people are truly concerned about the well being of your people, go back down to Mexico and save your homeland from the drug dealers.  You show just how much you care by your failure to go back and save your people from the murderous cartels down there.  Youo are all a bunch frauds with zero pride!<br />
   And still, no appology from MEChA to the LAPD and CSUN for the gutter like actions of these malcontents?  That says it all.</p>
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		<title>By: employment networking</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2009/10/csun-mecha-members-claim-harassment-by-undercover-lapd-officers/comment-page-3/#comment-32069</link>
		<dc:creator>employment networking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, take a look around why are you arguing with eachother. Who is the enemy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, take a look around why are you arguing with eachother. Who is the enemy?</p>
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		<title>By: Prof. Mark Joslin, Lecturer</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2009/10/csun-mecha-members-claim-harassment-by-undercover-lapd-officers/comment-page-3/#comment-27268</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof. Mark Joslin, Lecturer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Joe Ramirez, you join the ranks of claiming &quot;hard facts&quot; that have yet to be stated.  You apparently haven&#039;t been tuning in the entire time.  If you had been, you would have seen the direct attacks upon me and other faculty who were indeed &quot;singled out.&quot;  As far as me &quot;behaving like a child,&quot; well, you can offer your speculation, I suppose.  That&#039;s hard to do if you don&#039;t know me and spend time with me, isn&#039;t it?  Additionally, I don&#039;t play the &quot;victim card.&quot;  That&#039;s a strategy employed by you to &quot;minimize&quot; and distort my position on this matter.  

Now, if truth is something you can handle, Joe Ramirez, understand that I do not &quot;constantly talk about how no one has the “balls” to say anything to [my] face.&quot;  No, Joe, I don&#039;t &quot;constantly&quot; make such a claim.  You&#039;ve distorted my position.  My criticisms were focused upon those who hid behind the anonymity of the internet and resorted to name-calling, avoiding any serious discussion.  And, I rarely flatter myself.  I&#039;m secure enough that I don&#039;t need to.  

Joe Ramirez, on what are you basing your claims?  I never claimed LAPD singled me out.  You made that up and presented it as a truth.  And, you jump to a conclusion that I feel I don&#039;t &quot;need&quot; the LAPD, an absurd notion that I never claimed and reject.  You have a knack, Joe Ramirez, for creating an alternate reality regarding this incident.  You arrived very late to this discussion, and yet you present yourself as if you&#039;ve been contributing &quot;hard facts&quot; all along, yet I can&#039;t identify one in your little note here.  Please provide some of the &quot;plentiful&quot; hard FACTS (caps yours, in case we couldn&#039;t see it, I suppose) involving MeCha in &quot;violent hate crimes.&quot;  I&#039;d prefer a documented fact, not some unsubstanciated, slanderous claim.  Also, please proofread your published comments.  I&#039;m trying to sort out what you mean when you write &quot;why dont you give he LAPD that you dont want their help because you wouldnt want to have prejudice another racist incident [sic].&quot;  Review the dependent clause in a grammar book, Joe Ramirez.  Your sentences should have a clear subject, verb, and complete a thought.  Start out with the concept of &quot;thought.&quot;  Writing for publication, like driving, shouldn&#039;t be done angrily.  Avoid looking foolish when you base claims on incomplete information.  And, as always, avoid ad hominem attack.  It simply shows you have little to say.  

On the upside regarding your little writing project here, congratulations, Joe Ramirez, for using a name in your post.  That&#039;s more than others agreeing with your position could muster.  But, please keep focused.  The topic was not about me.  It was about unfair treatment of students on campus, students who happened to be Latino, and several faculty members who responded and investigated.  The fact that it spiraled into racist claims and unfair, derogatory comments perhaps indicates what little people know about their environments and history.  

Enjoy your holidays, Joe Ramirez.  I truly hope that&#039;s your actual name and not some made-up, weak attempt to present a Latino &quot;against&quot; MeCha and our Department.  I present myself as Professor Mark Joslin, legally and rightfully. (If you&#039;d read from the beginning when this incident was documented, before the libelous responses were removed by the Sundial, you&#039;d know what I mean when I qualify that as such.)

Good day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Joe Ramirez, you join the ranks of claiming &#8220;hard facts&#8221; that have yet to be stated.  You apparently haven&#8217;t been tuning in the entire time.  If you had been, you would have seen the direct attacks upon me and other faculty who were indeed &#8220;singled out.&#8221;  As far as me &#8220;behaving like a child,&#8221; well, you can offer your speculation, I suppose.  That&#8217;s hard to do if you don&#8217;t know me and spend time with me, isn&#8217;t it?  Additionally, I don&#8217;t play the &#8220;victim card.&#8221;  That&#8217;s a strategy employed by you to &#8220;minimize&#8221; and distort my position on this matter.  </p>
<p>Now, if truth is something you can handle, Joe Ramirez, understand that I do not &#8220;constantly talk about how no one has the “balls” to say anything to [my] face.&#8221;  No, Joe, I don&#8217;t &#8220;constantly&#8221; make such a claim.  You&#8217;ve distorted my position.  My criticisms were focused upon those who hid behind the anonymity of the internet and resorted to name-calling, avoiding any serious discussion.  And, I rarely flatter myself.  I&#8217;m secure enough that I don&#8217;t need to.  </p>
<p>Joe Ramirez, on what are you basing your claims?  I never claimed LAPD singled me out.  You made that up and presented it as a truth.  And, you jump to a conclusion that I feel I don&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; the LAPD, an absurd notion that I never claimed and reject.  You have a knack, Joe Ramirez, for creating an alternate reality regarding this incident.  You arrived very late to this discussion, and yet you present yourself as if you&#8217;ve been contributing &#8220;hard facts&#8221; all along, yet I can&#8217;t identify one in your little note here.  Please provide some of the &#8220;plentiful&#8221; hard FACTS (caps yours, in case we couldn&#8217;t see it, I suppose) involving MeCha in &#8220;violent hate crimes.&#8221;  I&#8217;d prefer a documented fact, not some unsubstanciated, slanderous claim.  Also, please proofread your published comments.  I&#8217;m trying to sort out what you mean when you write &#8220;why dont you give he LAPD that you dont want their help because you wouldnt want to have prejudice another racist incident [sic].&#8221;  Review the dependent clause in a grammar book, Joe Ramirez.  Your sentences should have a clear subject, verb, and complete a thought.  Start out with the concept of &#8220;thought.&#8221;  Writing for publication, like driving, shouldn&#8217;t be done angrily.  Avoid looking foolish when you base claims on incomplete information.  And, as always, avoid ad hominem attack.  It simply shows you have little to say.  </p>
<p>On the upside regarding your little writing project here, congratulations, Joe Ramirez, for using a name in your post.  That&#8217;s more than others agreeing with your position could muster.  But, please keep focused.  The topic was not about me.  It was about unfair treatment of students on campus, students who happened to be Latino, and several faculty members who responded and investigated.  The fact that it spiraled into racist claims and unfair, derogatory comments perhaps indicates what little people know about their environments and history.  </p>
<p>Enjoy your holidays, Joe Ramirez.  I truly hope that&#8217;s your actual name and not some made-up, weak attempt to present a Latino &#8220;against&#8221; MeCha and our Department.  I present myself as Professor Mark Joslin, legally and rightfully. (If you&#8217;d read from the beginning when this incident was documented, before the libelous responses were removed by the Sundial, you&#8217;d know what I mean when I qualify that as such.)</p>
<p>Good day.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ramirez</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2009/10/csun-mecha-members-claim-harassment-by-undercover-lapd-officers/comment-page-3/#comment-27162</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ramirez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Joslin - Why is it that every time you post a response, you talk about how you have been singled out and called names? You behave like a child. Yet you hold a position teaching others what? How to win an argument by trying to sound more intelligent and claiming your the victim? The reality is that you have not presented anything more than your own twisted speculation of this matter. You constantly talk about how no one has the &quot;balls&quot; to say anything to your face, yet when your presented with hard facts, you try to sound more intelligent and play the victim card. The reality is that there are plenty of hard FACTS about mechas  role in many violent hate crime incidents over the years. Dont flatter yourself by claiming that the LAPD singled you out either, it couldve been anyone else. And guess whos there to save your ass when your in trouble? Those very same officers. If you have such a problem with the LAPD why dont you type out a nice &quot;intelligent&quot; letter telling them why you dont need them. When your fellow latinos decide to break into your house and steal everything you own and possibly assault you, why dont you give he LAPD that you dont want their help because you wouldnt want to have prejudice another racist incident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Joslin &#8211; Why is it that every time you post a response, you talk about how you have been singled out and called names? You behave like a child. Yet you hold a position teaching others what? How to win an argument by trying to sound more intelligent and claiming your the victim? The reality is that you have not presented anything more than your own twisted speculation of this matter. You constantly talk about how no one has the &#8220;balls&#8221; to say anything to your face, yet when your presented with hard facts, you try to sound more intelligent and play the victim card. The reality is that there are plenty of hard FACTS about mechas  role in many violent hate crime incidents over the years. Dont flatter yourself by claiming that the LAPD singled you out either, it couldve been anyone else. And guess whos there to save your ass when your in trouble? Those very same officers. If you have such a problem with the LAPD why dont you type out a nice &#8220;intelligent&#8221; letter telling them why you dont need them. When your fellow latinos decide to break into your house and steal everything you own and possibly assault you, why dont you give he LAPD that you dont want their help because you wouldnt want to have prejudice another racist incident.</p>
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		<title>By: José Beltrán</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2009/10/csun-mecha-members-claim-harassment-by-undercover-lapd-officers/comment-page-3/#comment-15002</link>
		<dc:creator>José Beltrán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I find that it is quite comical that so many would post about this article and simply lose sight of what the topic actually is. The topic here is the improper way in which the LAPD performed a training exercise that targeted a specific group (in this case M.E.Ch.A., which consists of, but is not exclusively, students with Chican@ or so-called Latin@ backgrounds). This is not acceptable behavior on the part of these officers and this would also be the case if it had happened to any group. 
Second, those who would post comments that are blatantly racist and do not specifically and constructively addressed the actual article and hide their identity are displaying cowardice of the most detestable kind. If you are going to attack someone’s character at least base it in an argument that holds some truth and when relevant to the discussion at hand. By plummeting into such childish banter you are only relieving your arguments of any merit. I would suggest that you speak to the persons whom you are attacking in person and you may find that you share more commonalities then you may think and if not then at least you have honorably addressed your grievances in a civil manner.
You want organizations such as M.E.Ch.A. to disappear? Then help to address the issues that such organizations are working to eradicate (e.g. extinguishing poverty, famine and all of other woes that have been imposed by the dominant society, which is historical fact based in reality and not racist rhetoric). 

Above you will find that I have provided my real name and since I fight only for the true equality of all, I have no reason to hide. 

C/S y que!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I find that it is quite comical that so many would post about this article and simply lose sight of what the topic actually is. The topic here is the improper way in which the LAPD performed a training exercise that targeted a specific group (in this case M.E.Ch.A., which consists of, but is not exclusively, students with Chican@ or so-called Latin@ backgrounds). This is not acceptable behavior on the part of these officers and this would also be the case if it had happened to any group.<br />
Second, those who would post comments that are blatantly racist and do not specifically and constructively addressed the actual article and hide their identity are displaying cowardice of the most detestable kind. If you are going to attack someone’s character at least base it in an argument that holds some truth and when relevant to the discussion at hand. By plummeting into such childish banter you are only relieving your arguments of any merit. I would suggest that you speak to the persons whom you are attacking in person and you may find that you share more commonalities then you may think and if not then at least you have honorably addressed your grievances in a civil manner.<br />
You want organizations such as M.E.Ch.A. to disappear? Then help to address the issues that such organizations are working to eradicate (e.g. extinguishing poverty, famine and all of other woes that have been imposed by the dominant society, which is historical fact based in reality and not racist rhetoric). </p>
<p>Above you will find that I have provided my real name and since I fight only for the true equality of all, I have no reason to hide. </p>
<p>C/S y que!</p>
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