Comments on: Heated debate at A.S. meeting over MEChA funding

By: Peter Clark

Peter Clark — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:30:00 +0000

leave it to a racist “la raza” supporter to try to turn facts into hate…Take your lies down the road trash!

By: ClaimChecker

ClaimChecker — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:44:00 +0000

Golly, a stunning, relevant statement, Csulb Right Wing. Ad hom attacks are so effective, said no one ever. Certainly, there are other boards for you to troll, no? We hope your blood pressure is lowering. Where did you learn your “facts?” Attend many MeCha meetings? Share with us the “research” on which you base your amazingly flimsy attacks. Name calling…so, so weak. Does it trigger sad memories on the playgrounds?

# :-( <—- sad face for your mind.

(p.s. It's unlikely CSULB claims you as one of their own. You really don't belong many places with your rage, do you?)

#:~(

Now go take a nap. (BTW, you also misspelled your profanity. It must be hard typing with one finger.)

By: Csulb Right Wing

Csulb Right Wing — Sat, 31 Mar 2012 01:17:00 +0000

@ Johnny “mechista” Ramirez Mecha is a racist hate group and deserves 0 money from the AS. In addition MEChA is a political org that advocates for open boarders and inflicting unnecessary and unwanted financial liability, NO SE PUEDE to illegal alien support groups such as mecha.

By: Csulb Right Wing

Csulb Right Wing — Sat, 31 Mar 2012 01:14:00 +0000

Mecha is a racist institution that seeks to reclaim the US southwest for Chicanos only, fcuk that! Go ask that racist pig mechista Dr. Acuna for the money.

By: VladLenin

VladLenin — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:22:00 +0000

Claimchecker,

I have no qualms with your, or MEChA’s efforts.

My beef is the broader academic falsehood that has built-in failure. Those most negatively affected by this falsehood are many of the children that you’re reaching out to.

Further, I believe that it’s critical to “internalize” one’s circumstances, and stop “externalizing” them.

What is responsible for a 50% CSUN graduation rate?
How many of the 50% that don’t graduate have taken Student Loans?
What opportunities exists for college drop-outs?

There is no shame in trades. Why do we not track some students to skilled work, rather than to college.

IMO, we do a disservice to the good students(aptitude/fortitude), as instructors cannot focus their attention on raising these kids beyond their current(abysmal(Internationally)) abilities. We also perform a disservice for the not-so-good students, as we suggest that they can achieve, but then don’t hold them accountable to that standard, but continue to blame external factors for their demise.

Peace out!

Vlad

By: VladLenin

VladLenin — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:10:00 +0000

I’m not referencing the “same experience”, but the same opportunity. Poor people, in poor communities are at a disadvantage, but that is in large part due to the lack of parental involvement both with their children, and with the quality, and demands on the school. That MECHa is trying to help students is a good thing.

That “some” Whites, Asians, Blacks, Hispanics overcome their circumstances to achieve, is testament that anyone can overcome those circumstances.

My point, is that until the Latino and Black communities take some responsibility for their own successes, or lack thereof, they will not progresss. It is NOT ALWAYS external factors that determine success, otherwise none within given communities would advance.

By: BurgerLess

BurgerLess — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:22:00 +0000

Why doesn’t Moviemento Estudantil Chicana/o de Aztlan (MEChA) for the Raza just raise the money for themselves. It’s everything for La Raza and nothing for anyone else anyway.

By: ClaimChecker

ClaimChecker — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:35:00 +0000

Vlad, here you bring up some relevant and true points. Not every kid is cut out for academic work, just as not every kid is cut out for mechanical work. What’s less impressive, however, is the implication that those students MEChA seeks to bring to this event are among those lacking “aptitude” or “personal fortitude” to handle academics.

Many never get the opportunity to visit a campus and see with their own eyes the challenges and opportunities it provides, often relying on rumor or biased, predetermined ”counseling.” MEChA is simply getting involved with their community and seeking to extend and maintain involvement of this institution with their community, something many higher level institutions don’t do. MEChA provides the tours and activities for free. Presentations made by professors are provided free of charge. Funding to safely transport these students to promote our campus, at a relatively inexpensive cost by A.S. standards, isn’t unreasonable.

So please, limit the broad brush strokes.

By: ClaimChecker

ClaimChecker — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:11:00 +0000

Vlad, the “model minority” Asian defense went out years ago, and you seem to be operating under an assumption that all groups have the same experience with their education.

By: VladLenin

VladLenin — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:29:00 +0000

Encouraging “all” kids to attend College is setting [many of] them up for failure.

Some kids don’t have the aptitude, or personal fortitude to handle the educational rigors of Higher Education. The premise that “all kids” should track to college is a fallacy established by Higher Ed.

Standards have been lowered, to allow for students who might otherwise be better served tracked towards a trade, or skilled profession. Many are sold on college, take on Student Loan debt, don’t graduate(CSUN 48%), and then are left with no degree, and debt.

This tracking of “all” students to college, is a disservice to both the achievers, and non-achievers.

Peace Out!

Vlad