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		<title>By: mukedo</title>
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		<title>By: Pateel Ayvazian</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My fellow Turkish people and Turkish supporters,

It is unfortunate that the Turkish government has suppressed each and every one of you from learning the truth about the crimes your ancestors had committed. On April 24, 1915 the Ottoman Empire started their systematic attempt to annihilate every Armenian on earth. I&#039;m happy to say that didn&#039;t happen. However, 1.5 million Armenians did loose their lives due to the inhumane, ruthless actions of the Turkish generals. Today, Turkey occupies our lands and most importantly our people. The Turkish government purposefully oppresses its citizens from learning the truth because they know of their injustices and future reparations that will soon follow. If, the Armenian genocide really wasn&#039;t a genocide, the Turkish government should have no reason to hide the FACTS. One day, the Turkish officials will come to their senses and admit to their mistakes. Due to their unethical, cruel and cowardly actions, GENOCIDES occurred in Darfur, Sudan, Rwanda and Bosnia. HISTORY HAS AND WILL REPEAT ITSELF  IF PEOPLE DO NOT OPEN THEIR EYES AND LEARN THE TRUTH. Our grandparents fought for their lives, their people and their country and NO ONE can take that pride away from us. Although, Turkey&#039;s mission was to exterminate every Armenian on this planet, it is my honor to say that we are strong, proud and determined individuals. Please, do us all a favor and open your eyes to the truth of our nation.

Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fellow Turkish people and Turkish supporters,</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that the Turkish government has suppressed each and every one of you from learning the truth about the crimes your ancestors had committed. On April 24, 1915 the Ottoman Empire started their systematic attempt to annihilate every Armenian on earth. I&#8217;m happy to say that didn&#8217;t happen. However, 1.5 million Armenians did loose their lives due to the inhumane, ruthless actions of the Turkish generals. Today, Turkey occupies our lands and most importantly our people. The Turkish government purposefully oppresses its citizens from learning the truth because they know of their injustices and future reparations that will soon follow. If, the Armenian genocide really wasn&#8217;t a genocide, the Turkish government should have no reason to hide the FACTS. One day, the Turkish officials will come to their senses and admit to their mistakes. Due to their unethical, cruel and cowardly actions, GENOCIDES occurred in Darfur, Sudan, Rwanda and Bosnia. HISTORY HAS AND WILL REPEAT ITSELF  IF PEOPLE DO NOT OPEN THEIR EYES AND LEARN THE TRUTH. Our grandparents fought for their lives, their people and their country and NO ONE can take that pride away from us. Although, Turkey&#8217;s mission was to exterminate every Armenian on this planet, it is my honor to say that we are strong, proud and determined individuals. Please, do us all a favor and open your eyes to the truth of our nation.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: zubeyde</title>
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Here are  the testimonies of Turkish witnesses
of the ATROCITIES THAT HAD BEEN INFLICTED BY THE ARMENIANS UPON TURKS AND OTHER MUSLIMS   http://www.karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm12eng.htm#z3



MUHAMMET 
RESIT GÜLESER 

Father&#039;s Name: Abdullah
Mother&#039;s Name: Habibe
Place of Birth: 
Van
Date of Birth: 1900 

I was a young student at the Dar&#039;ül-Muallimin school, around 15 or 16 
years old during the Armenian massacres, and remember what happened quite well. 
Before the First World War, we had good neighborly relations with the Armenians 
(whose population was said to be approximately 17,000). 

With the declaration of the constitutional monarchy in 1908, they 
started to exploit the principles of independence, equality, and justice to 
their benefit. Their leader in Van, Aram Pasha, was in the delegation that 
notified Sultan Hamit that he would have to leave his throne. The Armenians set 
up an underground organization in Van, and dug tunnels which extended from near 
the Great Mosque (Büyük Cami) all the way to the old section of town. It was 
even possible to go through these tunnels on horseback. One day the tunnels were 
inadvertently discovered when a section caved near a guard. Even though Aram 
Pasha was detained near the Great Mosque based on the intelligence provided by 
an Armenian after the discovery, he was released without punishment due to the 
political sensitivities of the time. 

In short, the Armenians were very well organized. Already well 
established in commerce, they were doing very well financially. After the 
Armenians and Jews were permitted to join the military, groups of Armenians 
joined the military during the retreat of the Van division. The Armenians 
entered the military prepared -- with their own weapons. Our soldiers were 
carrying German-made primitive weapons that after firing four shots, would drop 
the fifth bullet. According to what we had heard from Mr. Hacž Latif and others 
who later returned to Van, the Armenians in the Van division were shooting our 
soldiers in the back. There were also several cases of Armenian doctors and 
nurses poisoning our wounded soldiers who were hospitalized in Van after 
returning from the eastern front. 

Regarding the situation in Van, the Russians were approaching from 
three fronts, Muradiye, Özalp, and Baskale. The Armenians in the city were 
rebelling and continued an aggressive campaign against the Muslim population for 
29 days. We had three barracks, Hacž Bekir, Aziziye, and Toprakkale. Ten 
soldiers would guard each one. They raided these barracks and slaughtered the 
soldiers like sheep by slicing their throats. Ali Çavus was also martyred there. 
While our weak militia were digging trenches to try to fight, the Armenians made 
holes in the walls and were firing shots with machine guns, pouring cans of 
kerosene, lighting fires, and escaping through the deep tunnels. This brutal 
attack lasted 29 days. The decision to flee was finally made so that the Muslim 
population would not suffer any more deaths. Those with carts used them; those 
without were under desperate conditions, but we all joined the exodus. People 
left their children on the road, others died from hunger and 
disease. 


It should be remembered that the Armenians not only committed large 
massacres in Van, but in the villages as well. The homes in the villages of 
Tžmar, Baskale, and Özalp were stuffed with hay and set on fire. Those that 
tried to escape were killed with bullets and bayonets. The inhabitants of a few 
villages in Zeve organized and fought the Armenians, but almost all of them -- 
from seven different villages -- were killed. Mass graves are still being 
uncovered in these villages and a memorial was built. 

Of the twelve ships that carried the Muslim refugees from Van, four 
of them carried government employees and their families. All of the sailors 
aboard the vessels were Armenians. The Armenian bandits, aided by these sailors, 
forced the four government employee boats to dock at the Adžr island, and killed 
all of the passengers. As for those in the other eight boats, they were taken to 
another island near Tatvan where Armenian bandits were waiting, but were able to 
escape with few casualties because they were armed. 

When we left Van, we first went to Bitlis, and later to Diyarbakžr. 
We witnessed the Armenian savagery along the way. Finally, I will tell you about 
what we saw and heard upon returning to Van. The Armenians applied all types of 
torture to the inhabitants, God bless their souls. They paraded Isa Hodja, who 
was over 100 years old, on a donkey through the village, raided and looted 
homes, and gathered women and girls into Mr. Ziya&#039;s home where they repeatedly 
raped them. They threw the bodies of the dead into wells, and even filled the 
well of our mosque with their victims&#039; bodies. 

When General Cevdet entered Van for the first time, he asked the 
gendarmes to escort 130 women whose husbands were at the front to Diyarbakžr. 
They had been stranded in Van because they did not have any transportation. 
About 30 of them stayed in our house. They spun wool to survive. They were also 
given military rations. They told us that there was no end to the torture and 
cruelties they suffered at the hands of the Armenian bandits. The Armenians 
skinned the men, castrated them, and raped and impaled the women. 

We returned to Van four years later. We stayed two years initially, 
but were forced to flee again when the Russians arrived. This time we went as 
far as Siirt. When we returned 200-250 Armenian families were seeking refuge on 
the Çarpanak island. They were hoping that the Turks would leave, and that they 
would resettle in Van. Most of them were artisans. A short time later, a new 
decree was issued, and they were sent to Revan under the protection of the 
government. However, Van, raided seven times by the enemy, was completely 
destroyed except for the Armenian quarters. We had to rebuild the 
city. 


SEYH 
CEMAL TALAY 

Father&#039;s Name: Cimsid
Mother&#039;s Name: Fatma
Place of Birth: 
Van
Date of Birth: 1901 


The Russians were providing weapons to the Armenians. With military 
assistance from the Russians and encouragement from England, France, and the 
United States, all of which had consulates in Van, Armenians increased their 
hostilities in the beginning of 1915. The Russians were secretly providing them 
with sophisticated arms hidden in food supplies sent from Russia to the port of 
Trabzon, and from there sent by caravan to Van. The goods on the caravans were 
distributed in the center of the old city, and the hidden ammunition was 
secretly distributed to the Armenian militants. The leader of the Armenian 
rebellion in Van was Aram Pasha, but I don&#039;t remember the name of the leader of 
the Dashnaks. They all had land claims, especially in Van. The 11th squadron was 
assigned to Van, but went to Erzurum to mobilize. The Armenian bandits were 
emboldened by this and started their campaign of terror against the Muslim 
inhabitants. 

The militants were launching raids on the Muslim villages and 
neighborhoods. The only thing we had to fight them with was a militia led by 
IImam Osman, composed of those either too old or too young to join the 
army. 


Let me tell you a story which I will never forget. I went to a school 
located near the government mansion. Armenians studied at the same school. Some 
of the students in the Armenian underground went to get a Muslim student named 
Rüstü from his home on the pretext of studying. They took him to the Isžtma 
bridge near the industrial park. After insulting him, they raped and killed him, 
leaving his body for his family to find the next day. The family later composed 
a ballad to honor his memory. 

I can remember the beginning of the skirmishes between the Muslims 
and Armenians. Our militia, which would meet in the Mahmut Aga barracks across 
the street from the Van State Hospital, was on duty a day before the war with 
the Armenians started. The Armenians prepared the night before and positioned 
themselves well. They had dug holes in the State mansion, and when our militia 
was preparing for morning prayer at a fountain nearby, the Armenians showered 
them with bullets. Many of our soldiers were killed. The fighting between local 
Muslims and Armenians had begun. Everyone took to the streets, and mass 
confusion ensued. Despite this, we got up and went to school. We had two 
teachers, one from Selanik, one from Edirne. They said &quot;Come on kids, let&#039;s all 
forgive each other, we might not see each other again,&quot; and suggested we use the 
side streets to avoid Armenian bullets. I left school with some friends, but 
decided to take our regular route. We saw that weapons and munitions were being 
distributed in front of a munitions storage area for protection against the 
Armenians. We then noticed a few Armenians creeping up from behind, and notified 
the man distributing the weapons. He threw down the munitions in his hand and 
fired on them, and they ran away. 

The wars started on April 2-3, 1915. In 1914, the Russians had not 
been able to penetrate the front line, but they surrounded our soldiers from 
behind by passing Çaldžran-Bahçesaray, and established a headquarters in the 
Molla Hasan village. 

It was difficult to provide our soldiers with military supplies since 
the young students and elderly people carrying the equipment could not go 
further because of the cold weather. Many of them died. 

We couldn&#039;t go anywhere either. But in the spring the Armenians went 
completely crazy. On May 10, 1915, the Russians were moving toward Van. On 
Governor Cevdet&#039;s orders we evacuated Van, taking with us what we could carry. 
During the war, Armenian brutality had reached a stage that no one, including 
the old, sick, captive, women, or children, could escape. The atrocities reached 
the degree that even the Armenians&#039; main supporters, the Russians, were trying 
to prohibit their actions. 

My grandmother Mihri couldn&#039;t flee with us because one of my uncles 
was paralyzed from the waist down. Unable to speak because of the shock of what 
happened in our absence, she later used sign language to explain what had 
transpired. They shaved my uncle&#039;s mustache along with his flesh, and then took 
them to a house which they used as a detention center and tortured him and the 
other captives until the Russians arrived. 

When we became refugees there were 23 members of our family. We lost 
most of our family on the road to Bitlis and Urfa. Only two of us returned to 
Van. Our first stop on the road was Bitlis where we arrived in 11 days, and then 
went to Siirt, where we had relatives with whom we stayed for a few months. When 
we heard about the Russian advance, we again fled to Diyarbakžr. Our convoy 
consisted of 250 people. We suffered from hunger and thirst on the way. We went 
through Kurtalan and Diyarbakžr and the village of Kebir, where we didn&#039;t stay 
long, and again took the road to return to Van. When we reached Kurtalan, we 
learned that the Russians had entered Van again and went to Siirt. In the spring 
of 1916 we went to Baghdad, but fled to Mardin when the English advanced. In 
1917 we arrived in Urfa. The French who entered Urfa started tormenting the 
Muslims by bringing the Aleppo Armenians to the city. This time we fought for 22 
days. 


We had left Van in 1915. When we were finally able to return, only 
two people remained from the 23-member family. Van was totally destroyed. The 
Armenians burned and demolished everything except for the Armenian-owned homes. 
In fact, when the Turkish army entered Van, around 2,000 Armenian artisans, 
expecting retaliation for their repression of the Turkish population, sought 
refuge on the island of Adžr. The Turkish government instead ensured their safe 
passage to Revan. 

BEKIR 
YÖRÜK 


Father&#039;s Name: Yusuf
Mother&#039;s Name: Gülnaz
Place of Birth: 
Van
Date of Birth: 1900 

Q: Can you tell us as best as you can remember what the Armenians did 
in Van and Gevas? 

A: We lived in the same neighborhoods as the Armenians. We too lived 
in the Norsin neighborhood and got along well until the Russians intervened. In 
those days, Armenian youths established committees with Russian encouragement, 
and started causing trouble. They killed the superintendent of police and threw 
him in the park. They killed the postman in Hasbagž. They bombed a building now 
replaced by a bathhouse, and twenty people died in the explosion. When the 
constitutional monarchy was declared, the mufti and the priest shook hands and 
extolled the brotherhood of Muslims and Christians. The Mufti cried as he shook 
hands, but events developed against us. The committee members became 
increasingly out of control and the rebellion began. We fought the Armenians for 
29 days in Hasbagž. We had no weapons. When the division went to Erzurum, we 
remained completely defenseless. 

The Armenians who joined the army after the establishment of the 
constitutional monarchy used our weapons to shoot at us, and those who remained 
in the army hit our soldiers from behind. They also bombed the barracks. The 
young people and the elderly left in the Muslim neighborhoods would take turns 
guarding against the Armenians. Meanwhile, the Russians were sending them gold 
to finance their effort. 

This struggle lasted 29 days until the arrival of the Russians. The 
elderly Armenians didn&#039;t want this fight because they were the wealthiest 
inhabitants of the area, and feared sacrificing their standard of living. 
Armenians owned up to 1,000 stores and sold European cloth in the old part of 
the city of Van. When these events broke out, inhabitants of nearby villages and 
towns all fled to Van, and those stores disappeared within two days. 

Fifty vessels full of people left Van, three of which carried wounded 
soldiers. Cevdet Pasha saw the passengers off at the pier. We went to Adžr 
Island, where the Armenians were training underground. We stayed on the island 
for nine days. The waves destroyed some of the ships with wooden sails. The 
island had wells and two bakeries. No one brought any supplies from Van. We were 
hungry and distraught. My elder brother was an officer and came back wounded 
from Erzurum. My brother realized that the Armenians would cut us off. He 
convinced his captain, and ten ships left from there, but we couldn&#039;t go very 
far. Thank God we stayed close to shore. The next day we reached Tatvan, but 
under difficult circumstances. The day we left Van the Armenians had set 
everything ablaze. There were wounded soldiers from all parts of Turkey in Van, 
and the Armenians fired on apartments used as hospitals where they were staying. 
That is why Van is sacred ground with martyrs from 67 provinces [in 
Turkey]. 


My uncle, Terren Aga, was very old, and we couldn&#039;t take him with us 
when we left Van. His wife, daughter, and two grandchildren remained with him. 
Armenian hoodlums beat my uncle and the children with an ax and killed them. His 
daughter hid in an abandoned American school. When the Armenians found her, they 
killed her by throwing her from the second floor. 

We went to Bitlis from Tatvan where we remained for nearly two 
months. When the Russians arrived, we again went on the road. We then went to 
Hizan and Diyarbakžr. After we left, the Gendarme commander -- who was crying 
like a baby -- brought my uncle (who was Deputy Governor Ömer Bey) a report. A 
soldier named Mansur was also present. When we asked him to explain, he said 
that three days after Van was emptied they went to pick up the bodies. Hundreds 
of elderly women were impaled on stakes. They still had their scarves on and 
looked as if they were sitting. When they got closer they saw that they were 
killed before being impaled. They saw a woman who was split in two and her 
unborn child was placed on her chest. 

Muslims who witnessed these thousands of examples of inconceivable 
brutality tearfully reported the incidents to Ömer Bey, who then told Mustafa 
Kemal. When the Russians finally arrived, they were displeased with the 
savageness which resulted in the destruction of four-fifths of Van. In addition 
to those massacred by the Armenians, many people also died as they were fleeing. 
Many collapsed on the road from hunger and disease. No one was able to take 
anything with them when they left Van. 

When we returned to Van from exile three years later we found the 
Muslim neighborhoods leveled to the ground, but the areas owned by Armenians 
were left undamaged. When we returned there were about 2,000 Armenians living in 
Van who fled to the islands when the Turks started returning. Two years later, 
the government sent them to Revan. 

Q: Did you ever participate in the fighting or use a weapon? 


A: No, I have never used a weapon. I didn&#039;t have a gun, plus they 
didn&#039;t give me one because I was too young and didn&#039;t know how to use it. 
Instead, I would bring food and water to the combatants. 

Q: What kind of equipment were the Armenians using? 

A: They had the latest equipment which was provided by Russia and 
England. They gave them weapons and had them fight us. The Armenians couldn&#039;t do 
anything to us, but when they were armed, the balance was upset. 

Q: Did many people die in these and other clashes? 

A: Of course, thousands of people died. After fighting for 29 days, 
the then-Governor Cevdet Pasha commanded us to leave Van when he heard that the 
Russian forces were approaching. Cevdet Pasha was actually a very courageous 
man, but we had neither guns nor ammunition, while the Russians were armed with 
top of the line weapons. 

Q: Didn&#039;t the Ottoman state take any precautions against the 
Armenians arming themselves to this extent? Didn&#039;t word get around? 

A: People knew, and the government knew. Yet the military was on the 
fighting front, and only a few gendarmes were left in Van. They couldn&#039;t do 
anything about it. The Armenians first shot Police Lieutenant Nuri Efendi, and 
blew up the Hamitaga barracks. Many soldiers were killed. Then they placed bombs 
in the Norsin Mosque and Hacž Naci Hodja Mosque. They blew up Hafžz Hodja along 
with his son. Our women were raped, and our children shot. 

Q: How was the evacuation carried out? 

A: We left from here on 50 ships. That day the weather was stormy and 
rainy, as if all hell broke loose. The ships ran into each other. They were 
unable to approach the pier for a long time. The weather hadn&#039;t warmed up yet -- 
I think it was April. We left before the Russians arrived. There were about 250 
people in our group, and 60 died. Some died at the hands of the Armenian 
bandits, others from cholera, disease, and hunger. 

My uncle, his family and children, were all cut into pieces with a 
hatchet under the mulberry tree in our neighborhood. They [Armenians] massacred 
all those that stayed behind when we left. We lived in the Norsin neighborhood 
at the time. They burned all of Van. 

All of this was planned by the Armenian committees which 
treacherously manipulated the Armenian population. 

Q: Do you remember the names of those committees? 

A: Dashnak was the most prominent one. There were others as well, but 
I don&#039;t remember their names now. They received money and gold from Russia and 
England. 


Q: Did the Armenians kill many women and children? 

A: The elderly didn&#039;t bother much, but all of their young people were 
armed. They killed whoever they could corner. They killed them and threw them 
into the lake or into the fire. For example, a woman was baking bread in a 
nearby village, and had her young child was at her side. The Armenians went into 
her backyard and asked her what she was doing. When she answered that she was 
baking bread, they insisted she needed a kebab as well, and pierced her child 
and threw him into the fire and burned him alive. 

What else can I tell you? God knows the extent of what went on. 
During our escape, we took off on the ships, and stayed around the islands for 
four days. We couldn&#039;t sleep at night because of the wails, crying, and screams 
we heard all night. These were the cries we heard from surrounding villages: 
Zeve, Bardakçž, Kalaç, and Molla Kasžm. I hope God ensures that we don&#039;t have to 
relive those days when these massacres took place. 

Q: Where did you go after the islands? 

A: From the islands we went to the Dervis village. It took us all day 
to get there. Ten ships were tied together at the edge of the lake. We were very 
frightened. In the morning we left toward Tatvan, and finally reached our 
destination. We were able to rest there, and later left toward 
Bitlis. 


Q: Do you remember how many people were with you in your 
convoy? 


A: There were between 10 and 20 thousand people in our 
convoy. 


Q: Did many people from your convoy die in the exodus? 

A: Of course. 

Q: Could you tell us how they died? 

A: The women couldn&#039;t take care of the children. Some would leave 
them in remote areas. Hunger and disease were rampant. For example, Ömer Efendi 
wrapped his child in rags and left him alive under a tree as we approached the 
Bitlis creek. There were many other children like this thrown into the Bitlis 
creek, or buried when they died. But Ömer Efendi regretted what he did, and a 
few days later went to retrieve the child and brought him back 
alive. 


Q: How long were you a refugee? 

A: Three years. 

Q: What did you find when you returned to Van? How was Van, was there 
much damage? 

A: I saw Van; it was completely destroyed and burned]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are  the testimonies of Turkish witnesses<br />
of the ATROCITIES THAT HAD BEEN INFLICTED BY THE ARMENIANS UPON TURKS AND OTHER MUSLIMS   <a href="http://www.karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm12eng.htm#z3" rel="nofollow">http://www.karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm12eng.htm#z3</a></p>
<p>MUHAMMET<br />
RESIT GÜLESER </p>
<p>Father&#8217;s Name: Abdullah<br />
Mother&#8217;s Name: Habibe<br />
Place of Birth:<br />
Van<br />
Date of Birth: 1900 </p>
<p>I was a young student at the Dar&#8217;ül-Muallimin school, around 15 or 16<br />
years old during the Armenian massacres, and remember what happened quite well.<br />
Before the First World War, we had good neighborly relations with the Armenians<br />
(whose population was said to be approximately 17,000). </p>
<p>With the declaration of the constitutional monarchy in 1908, they<br />
started to exploit the principles of independence, equality, and justice to<br />
their benefit. Their leader in Van, Aram Pasha, was in the delegation that<br />
notified Sultan Hamit that he would have to leave his throne. The Armenians set<br />
up an underground organization in Van, and dug tunnels which extended from near<br />
the Great Mosque (Büyük Cami) all the way to the old section of town. It was<br />
even possible to go through these tunnels on horseback. One day the tunnels were<br />
inadvertently discovered when a section caved near a guard. Even though Aram<br />
Pasha was detained near the Great Mosque based on the intelligence provided by<br />
an Armenian after the discovery, he was released without punishment due to the<br />
political sensitivities of the time. </p>
<p>In short, the Armenians were very well organized. Already well<br />
established in commerce, they were doing very well financially. After the<br />
Armenians and Jews were permitted to join the military, groups of Armenians<br />
joined the military during the retreat of the Van division. The Armenians<br />
entered the military prepared &#8212; with their own weapons. Our soldiers were<br />
carrying German-made primitive weapons that after firing four shots, would drop<br />
the fifth bullet. According to what we had heard from Mr. Hacž Latif and others<br />
who later returned to Van, the Armenians in the Van division were shooting our<br />
soldiers in the back. There were also several cases of Armenian doctors and<br />
nurses poisoning our wounded soldiers who were hospitalized in Van after<br />
returning from the eastern front. </p>
<p>Regarding the situation in Van, the Russians were approaching from<br />
three fronts, Muradiye, Özalp, and Baskale. The Armenians in the city were<br />
rebelling and continued an aggressive campaign against the Muslim population for<br />
29 days. We had three barracks, Hacž Bekir, Aziziye, and Toprakkale. Ten<br />
soldiers would guard each one. They raided these barracks and slaughtered the<br />
soldiers like sheep by slicing their throats. Ali Çavus was also martyred there.<br />
While our weak militia were digging trenches to try to fight, the Armenians made<br />
holes in the walls and were firing shots with machine guns, pouring cans of<br />
kerosene, lighting fires, and escaping through the deep tunnels. This brutal<br />
attack lasted 29 days. The decision to flee was finally made so that the Muslim<br />
population would not suffer any more deaths. Those with carts used them; those<br />
without were under desperate conditions, but we all joined the exodus. People<br />
left their children on the road, others died from hunger and<br />
disease. </p>
<p>It should be remembered that the Armenians not only committed large<br />
massacres in Van, but in the villages as well. The homes in the villages of<br />
Tžmar, Baskale, and Özalp were stuffed with hay and set on fire. Those that<br />
tried to escape were killed with bullets and bayonets. The inhabitants of a few<br />
villages in Zeve organized and fought the Armenians, but almost all of them &#8212;<br />
from seven different villages &#8212; were killed. Mass graves are still being<br />
uncovered in these villages and a memorial was built. </p>
<p>Of the twelve ships that carried the Muslim refugees from Van, four<br />
of them carried government employees and their families. All of the sailors<br />
aboard the vessels were Armenians. The Armenian bandits, aided by these sailors,<br />
forced the four government employee boats to dock at the Adžr island, and killed<br />
all of the passengers. As for those in the other eight boats, they were taken to<br />
another island near Tatvan where Armenian bandits were waiting, but were able to<br />
escape with few casualties because they were armed. </p>
<p>When we left Van, we first went to Bitlis, and later to Diyarbakžr.<br />
We witnessed the Armenian savagery along the way. Finally, I will tell you about<br />
what we saw and heard upon returning to Van. The Armenians applied all types of<br />
torture to the inhabitants, God bless their souls. They paraded Isa Hodja, who<br />
was over 100 years old, on a donkey through the village, raided and looted<br />
homes, and gathered women and girls into Mr. Ziya&#8217;s home where they repeatedly<br />
raped them. They threw the bodies of the dead into wells, and even filled the<br />
well of our mosque with their victims&#8217; bodies. </p>
<p>When General Cevdet entered Van for the first time, he asked the<br />
gendarmes to escort 130 women whose husbands were at the front to Diyarbakžr.<br />
They had been stranded in Van because they did not have any transportation.<br />
About 30 of them stayed in our house. They spun wool to survive. They were also<br />
given military rations. They told us that there was no end to the torture and<br />
cruelties they suffered at the hands of the Armenian bandits. The Armenians<br />
skinned the men, castrated them, and raped and impaled the women. </p>
<p>We returned to Van four years later. We stayed two years initially,<br />
but were forced to flee again when the Russians arrived. This time we went as<br />
far as Siirt. When we returned 200-250 Armenian families were seeking refuge on<br />
the Çarpanak island. They were hoping that the Turks would leave, and that they<br />
would resettle in Van. Most of them were artisans. A short time later, a new<br />
decree was issued, and they were sent to Revan under the protection of the<br />
government. However, Van, raided seven times by the enemy, was completely<br />
destroyed except for the Armenian quarters. We had to rebuild the<br />
city. </p>
<p>SEYH<br />
CEMAL TALAY </p>
<p>Father&#8217;s Name: Cimsid<br />
Mother&#8217;s Name: Fatma<br />
Place of Birth:<br />
Van<br />
Date of Birth: 1901 </p>
<p>The Russians were providing weapons to the Armenians. With military<br />
assistance from the Russians and encouragement from England, France, and the<br />
United States, all of which had consulates in Van, Armenians increased their<br />
hostilities in the beginning of 1915. The Russians were secretly providing them<br />
with sophisticated arms hidden in food supplies sent from Russia to the port of<br />
Trabzon, and from there sent by caravan to Van. The goods on the caravans were<br />
distributed in the center of the old city, and the hidden ammunition was<br />
secretly distributed to the Armenian militants. The leader of the Armenian<br />
rebellion in Van was Aram Pasha, but I don&#8217;t remember the name of the leader of<br />
the Dashnaks. They all had land claims, especially in Van. The 11th squadron was<br />
assigned to Van, but went to Erzurum to mobilize. The Armenian bandits were<br />
emboldened by this and started their campaign of terror against the Muslim<br />
inhabitants. </p>
<p>The militants were launching raids on the Muslim villages and<br />
neighborhoods. The only thing we had to fight them with was a militia led by<br />
IImam Osman, composed of those either too old or too young to join the<br />
army. </p>
<p>Let me tell you a story which I will never forget. I went to a school<br />
located near the government mansion. Armenians studied at the same school. Some<br />
of the students in the Armenian underground went to get a Muslim student named<br />
Rüstü from his home on the pretext of studying. They took him to the Isžtma<br />
bridge near the industrial park. After insulting him, they raped and killed him,<br />
leaving his body for his family to find the next day. The family later composed<br />
a ballad to honor his memory. </p>
<p>I can remember the beginning of the skirmishes between the Muslims<br />
and Armenians. Our militia, which would meet in the Mahmut Aga barracks across<br />
the street from the Van State Hospital, was on duty a day before the war with<br />
the Armenians started. The Armenians prepared the night before and positioned<br />
themselves well. They had dug holes in the State mansion, and when our militia<br />
was preparing for morning prayer at a fountain nearby, the Armenians showered<br />
them with bullets. Many of our soldiers were killed. The fighting between local<br />
Muslims and Armenians had begun. Everyone took to the streets, and mass<br />
confusion ensued. Despite this, we got up and went to school. We had two<br />
teachers, one from Selanik, one from Edirne. They said &#8220;Come on kids, let&#8217;s all<br />
forgive each other, we might not see each other again,&#8221; and suggested we use the<br />
side streets to avoid Armenian bullets. I left school with some friends, but<br />
decided to take our regular route. We saw that weapons and munitions were being<br />
distributed in front of a munitions storage area for protection against the<br />
Armenians. We then noticed a few Armenians creeping up from behind, and notified<br />
the man distributing the weapons. He threw down the munitions in his hand and<br />
fired on them, and they ran away. </p>
<p>The wars started on April 2-3, 1915. In 1914, the Russians had not<br />
been able to penetrate the front line, but they surrounded our soldiers from<br />
behind by passing Çaldžran-Bahçesaray, and established a headquarters in the<br />
Molla Hasan village. </p>
<p>It was difficult to provide our soldiers with military supplies since<br />
the young students and elderly people carrying the equipment could not go<br />
further because of the cold weather. Many of them died. </p>
<p>We couldn&#8217;t go anywhere either. But in the spring the Armenians went<br />
completely crazy. On May 10, 1915, the Russians were moving toward Van. On<br />
Governor Cevdet&#8217;s orders we evacuated Van, taking with us what we could carry.<br />
During the war, Armenian brutality had reached a stage that no one, including<br />
the old, sick, captive, women, or children, could escape. The atrocities reached<br />
the degree that even the Armenians&#8217; main supporters, the Russians, were trying<br />
to prohibit their actions. </p>
<p>My grandmother Mihri couldn&#8217;t flee with us because one of my uncles<br />
was paralyzed from the waist down. Unable to speak because of the shock of what<br />
happened in our absence, she later used sign language to explain what had<br />
transpired. They shaved my uncle&#8217;s mustache along with his flesh, and then took<br />
them to a house which they used as a detention center and tortured him and the<br />
other captives until the Russians arrived. </p>
<p>When we became refugees there were 23 members of our family. We lost<br />
most of our family on the road to Bitlis and Urfa. Only two of us returned to<br />
Van. Our first stop on the road was Bitlis where we arrived in 11 days, and then<br />
went to Siirt, where we had relatives with whom we stayed for a few months. When<br />
we heard about the Russian advance, we again fled to Diyarbakžr. Our convoy<br />
consisted of 250 people. We suffered from hunger and thirst on the way. We went<br />
through Kurtalan and Diyarbakžr and the village of Kebir, where we didn&#8217;t stay<br />
long, and again took the road to return to Van. When we reached Kurtalan, we<br />
learned that the Russians had entered Van again and went to Siirt. In the spring<br />
of 1916 we went to Baghdad, but fled to Mardin when the English advanced. In<br />
1917 we arrived in Urfa. The French who entered Urfa started tormenting the<br />
Muslims by bringing the Aleppo Armenians to the city. This time we fought for 22<br />
days. </p>
<p>We had left Van in 1915. When we were finally able to return, only<br />
two people remained from the 23-member family. Van was totally destroyed. The<br />
Armenians burned and demolished everything except for the Armenian-owned homes.<br />
In fact, when the Turkish army entered Van, around 2,000 Armenian artisans,<br />
expecting retaliation for their repression of the Turkish population, sought<br />
refuge on the island of Adžr. The Turkish government instead ensured their safe<br />
passage to Revan. </p>
<p>BEKIR<br />
YÖRÜK </p>
<p>Father&#8217;s Name: Yusuf<br />
Mother&#8217;s Name: Gülnaz<br />
Place of Birth:<br />
Van<br />
Date of Birth: 1900 </p>
<p>Q: Can you tell us as best as you can remember what the Armenians did<br />
in Van and Gevas? </p>
<p>A: We lived in the same neighborhoods as the Armenians. We too lived<br />
in the Norsin neighborhood and got along well until the Russians intervened. In<br />
those days, Armenian youths established committees with Russian encouragement,<br />
and started causing trouble. They killed the superintendent of police and threw<br />
him in the park. They killed the postman in Hasbagž. They bombed a building now<br />
replaced by a bathhouse, and twenty people died in the explosion. When the<br />
constitutional monarchy was declared, the mufti and the priest shook hands and<br />
extolled the brotherhood of Muslims and Christians. The Mufti cried as he shook<br />
hands, but events developed against us. The committee members became<br />
increasingly out of control and the rebellion began. We fought the Armenians for<br />
29 days in Hasbagž. We had no weapons. When the division went to Erzurum, we<br />
remained completely defenseless. </p>
<p>The Armenians who joined the army after the establishment of the<br />
constitutional monarchy used our weapons to shoot at us, and those who remained<br />
in the army hit our soldiers from behind. They also bombed the barracks. The<br />
young people and the elderly left in the Muslim neighborhoods would take turns<br />
guarding against the Armenians. Meanwhile, the Russians were sending them gold<br />
to finance their effort. </p>
<p>This struggle lasted 29 days until the arrival of the Russians. The<br />
elderly Armenians didn&#8217;t want this fight because they were the wealthiest<br />
inhabitants of the area, and feared sacrificing their standard of living.<br />
Armenians owned up to 1,000 stores and sold European cloth in the old part of<br />
the city of Van. When these events broke out, inhabitants of nearby villages and<br />
towns all fled to Van, and those stores disappeared within two days. </p>
<p>Fifty vessels full of people left Van, three of which carried wounded<br />
soldiers. Cevdet Pasha saw the passengers off at the pier. We went to Adžr<br />
Island, where the Armenians were training underground. We stayed on the island<br />
for nine days. The waves destroyed some of the ships with wooden sails. The<br />
island had wells and two bakeries. No one brought any supplies from Van. We were<br />
hungry and distraught. My elder brother was an officer and came back wounded<br />
from Erzurum. My brother realized that the Armenians would cut us off. He<br />
convinced his captain, and ten ships left from there, but we couldn&#8217;t go very<br />
far. Thank God we stayed close to shore. The next day we reached Tatvan, but<br />
under difficult circumstances. The day we left Van the Armenians had set<br />
everything ablaze. There were wounded soldiers from all parts of Turkey in Van,<br />
and the Armenians fired on apartments used as hospitals where they were staying.<br />
That is why Van is sacred ground with martyrs from 67 provinces [in<br />
Turkey]. </p>
<p>My uncle, Terren Aga, was very old, and we couldn&#8217;t take him with us<br />
when we left Van. His wife, daughter, and two grandchildren remained with him.<br />
Armenian hoodlums beat my uncle and the children with an ax and killed them. His<br />
daughter hid in an abandoned American school. When the Armenians found her, they<br />
killed her by throwing her from the second floor. </p>
<p>We went to Bitlis from Tatvan where we remained for nearly two<br />
months. When the Russians arrived, we again went on the road. We then went to<br />
Hizan and Diyarbakžr. After we left, the Gendarme commander &#8212; who was crying<br />
like a baby &#8212; brought my uncle (who was Deputy Governor Ömer Bey) a report. A<br />
soldier named Mansur was also present. When we asked him to explain, he said<br />
that three days after Van was emptied they went to pick up the bodies. Hundreds<br />
of elderly women were impaled on stakes. They still had their scarves on and<br />
looked as if they were sitting. When they got closer they saw that they were<br />
killed before being impaled. They saw a woman who was split in two and her<br />
unborn child was placed on her chest. </p>
<p>Muslims who witnessed these thousands of examples of inconceivable<br />
brutality tearfully reported the incidents to Ömer Bey, who then told Mustafa<br />
Kemal. When the Russians finally arrived, they were displeased with the<br />
savageness which resulted in the destruction of four-fifths of Van. In addition<br />
to those massacred by the Armenians, many people also died as they were fleeing.<br />
Many collapsed on the road from hunger and disease. No one was able to take<br />
anything with them when they left Van. </p>
<p>When we returned to Van from exile three years later we found the<br />
Muslim neighborhoods leveled to the ground, but the areas owned by Armenians<br />
were left undamaged. When we returned there were about 2,000 Armenians living in<br />
Van who fled to the islands when the Turks started returning. Two years later,<br />
the government sent them to Revan. </p>
<p>Q: Did you ever participate in the fighting or use a weapon? </p>
<p>A: No, I have never used a weapon. I didn&#8217;t have a gun, plus they<br />
didn&#8217;t give me one because I was too young and didn&#8217;t know how to use it.<br />
Instead, I would bring food and water to the combatants. </p>
<p>Q: What kind of equipment were the Armenians using? </p>
<p>A: They had the latest equipment which was provided by Russia and<br />
England. They gave them weapons and had them fight us. The Armenians couldn&#8217;t do<br />
anything to us, but when they were armed, the balance was upset. </p>
<p>Q: Did many people die in these and other clashes? </p>
<p>A: Of course, thousands of people died. After fighting for 29 days,<br />
the then-Governor Cevdet Pasha commanded us to leave Van when he heard that the<br />
Russian forces were approaching. Cevdet Pasha was actually a very courageous<br />
man, but we had neither guns nor ammunition, while the Russians were armed with<br />
top of the line weapons. </p>
<p>Q: Didn&#8217;t the Ottoman state take any precautions against the<br />
Armenians arming themselves to this extent? Didn&#8217;t word get around? </p>
<p>A: People knew, and the government knew. Yet the military was on the<br />
fighting front, and only a few gendarmes were left in Van. They couldn&#8217;t do<br />
anything about it. The Armenians first shot Police Lieutenant Nuri Efendi, and<br />
blew up the Hamitaga barracks. Many soldiers were killed. Then they placed bombs<br />
in the Norsin Mosque and Hacž Naci Hodja Mosque. They blew up Hafžz Hodja along<br />
with his son. Our women were raped, and our children shot. </p>
<p>Q: How was the evacuation carried out? </p>
<p>A: We left from here on 50 ships. That day the weather was stormy and<br />
rainy, as if all hell broke loose. The ships ran into each other. They were<br />
unable to approach the pier for a long time. The weather hadn&#8217;t warmed up yet &#8212;<br />
I think it was April. We left before the Russians arrived. There were about 250<br />
people in our group, and 60 died. Some died at the hands of the Armenian<br />
bandits, others from cholera, disease, and hunger. </p>
<p>My uncle, his family and children, were all cut into pieces with a<br />
hatchet under the mulberry tree in our neighborhood. They [Armenians] massacred<br />
all those that stayed behind when we left. We lived in the Norsin neighborhood<br />
at the time. They burned all of Van. </p>
<p>All of this was planned by the Armenian committees which<br />
treacherously manipulated the Armenian population. </p>
<p>Q: Do you remember the names of those committees? </p>
<p>A: Dashnak was the most prominent one. There were others as well, but<br />
I don&#8217;t remember their names now. They received money and gold from Russia and<br />
England. </p>
<p>Q: Did the Armenians kill many women and children? </p>
<p>A: The elderly didn&#8217;t bother much, but all of their young people were<br />
armed. They killed whoever they could corner. They killed them and threw them<br />
into the lake or into the fire. For example, a woman was baking bread in a<br />
nearby village, and had her young child was at her side. The Armenians went into<br />
her backyard and asked her what she was doing. When she answered that she was<br />
baking bread, they insisted she needed a kebab as well, and pierced her child<br />
and threw him into the fire and burned him alive. </p>
<p>What else can I tell you? God knows the extent of what went on.<br />
During our escape, we took off on the ships, and stayed around the islands for<br />
four days. We couldn&#8217;t sleep at night because of the wails, crying, and screams<br />
we heard all night. These were the cries we heard from surrounding villages:<br />
Zeve, Bardakçž, Kalaç, and Molla Kasžm. I hope God ensures that we don&#8217;t have to<br />
relive those days when these massacres took place. </p>
<p>Q: Where did you go after the islands? </p>
<p>A: From the islands we went to the Dervis village. It took us all day<br />
to get there. Ten ships were tied together at the edge of the lake. We were very<br />
frightened. In the morning we left toward Tatvan, and finally reached our<br />
destination. We were able to rest there, and later left toward<br />
Bitlis. </p>
<p>Q: Do you remember how many people were with you in your<br />
convoy? </p>
<p>A: There were between 10 and 20 thousand people in our<br />
convoy. </p>
<p>Q: Did many people from your convoy die in the exodus? </p>
<p>A: Of course. </p>
<p>Q: Could you tell us how they died? </p>
<p>A: The women couldn&#8217;t take care of the children. Some would leave<br />
them in remote areas. Hunger and disease were rampant. For example, Ömer Efendi<br />
wrapped his child in rags and left him alive under a tree as we approached the<br />
Bitlis creek. There were many other children like this thrown into the Bitlis<br />
creek, or buried when they died. But Ömer Efendi regretted what he did, and a<br />
few days later went to retrieve the child and brought him back<br />
alive. </p>
<p>Q: How long were you a refugee? </p>
<p>A: Three years. </p>
<p>Q: What did you find when you returned to Van? How was Van, was there<br />
much damage? </p>
<p>A: I saw Van; it was completely destroyed and burned</p>
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		<title>By: zubeyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>zubeyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Little attention is paid to the fact that in 1800 a vast Muslim
land existed in Anatolia, the Balkans, 
and southern Russia. By 1923 only Anatolia, eastern Thrace and a section
of the southeastern Caucasus remained as Muslim land. The Balkan Muslims were
largely gone, dead or forced to migrate….The same fate had overcome the Muslims
of the Crimea, the northern Caucasus and Russian Armenia- they were simply
gone. Millions of Muslims, most of them Turks, had died; millions had fled to
what is today Turkey. ‘Between 1821 and 1922, more than five million Muslims
were driven from their lands. Five and a half (5.5)  million Muslims died, some of them killed in
wars, others perished as refugees from starvation and disease’ points out
McCarthy’.


‘Despite the historical importance of the Muslim losses, it is not
to be found in textbooks......


‘According to Caleb F Gates, president of Robert College, the
Armenian population statistics in January 1921, as confirmed by the Armenian
Patriarchate was as follows: Armenians in Ottoman provinces approximetely 600
000; Armenians alive 944 900; Armenian total loss 355 000. (FO 371/6556/E 2730:
Gates to Rumbold, 16.2.1921, giving the statistics of the Armenians then living
in Turkey, obtained from the Armenian Patriarch)’.


 


‘In the light of these statistics, how can the loss of about 400
000 Armenians be labelled as ‘massacres, genocide, or proto-Holocaust’ and the
loss of over one million Muslims, as a result of Armenian activities, is not
even mentioned? What kind of a holocoust is it that the aggressive side
suffered much more losses than the attacked side?’


 ‘……..Other Western scholars
and writers too, agree that, rarely in history have facts been deliberately so
distorted as to give a completely wrong Picture, as the Armenians have done for
more than a century in connection with the so-called ‘Armenian question’. They
succeeded in deceiving the public opinion of the Christian world because they
posed as a martyred nation in the cause of Christ….’


 


‘…In the field of propaganda, no one could surpass the Ottoman
Christians, including mainly the Armenians, who used their positions as
translators/interpreters in the embassies and consulates of the Powers to
convince those Powers of their stories, and to sway their relief workers,
missionaries and ecclesiastical leaders, about the genuineness of their case.
Many a time a gullible Western journalist was trapped by their vociferations,
and spread their tales……..’


 


‘……According to the Reverend Dr Cyrus Hamlin, the first president
of the American Robert College in Istanbul (now Bo?aziçi University), a
propaganda bureau was set up in London in the 1870s which had, for its object,
the foreign dissemination of all news prejudicial to the Turks. Hamlin stated
that the onslaught of this ‘one-sided and unreliable information’ about any
people would, after a period of years, stir up a hostility and hatred that
could not be easily overcome………..’


 


(Sonyel Salahi. The Great War and The Tragedy of Anatolia.
p.170-182)


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little attention is paid to the fact that in 1800 a vast Muslim<br />
land existed in Anatolia, the Balkans, <br />
and southern Russia. By 1923 only Anatolia, eastern Thrace and a section<br />
of the southeastern Caucasus remained as Muslim land. The Balkan Muslims were<br />
largely gone, dead or forced to migrate….The same fate had overcome the Muslims<br />
of the Crimea, the northern Caucasus and Russian Armenia- they were simply<br />
gone. Millions of Muslims, most of them Turks, had died; millions had fled to<br />
what is today Turkey. ‘Between 1821 and 1922, more than five million Muslims<br />
were driven from their lands. Five and a half (5.5)  million Muslims died, some of them killed in<br />
wars, others perished as refugees from starvation and disease’ points out<br />
McCarthy’.</p>
<p>‘Despite the historical importance of the Muslim losses, it is not<br />
to be found in textbooks&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>‘According to Caleb F Gates, president of Robert College, the<br />
Armenian population statistics in January 1921, as confirmed by the Armenian<br />
Patriarchate was as follows: Armenians in Ottoman provinces approximetely 600<br />
000; Armenians alive 944 900; Armenian total loss 355 000. (FO 371/6556/E 2730:<br />
Gates to Rumbold, 16.2.1921, giving the statistics of the Armenians then living<br />
in Turkey, obtained from the Armenian Patriarch)’.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>‘In the light of these statistics, how can the loss of about 400<br />
000 Armenians be labelled as ‘massacres, genocide, or proto-Holocaust’ and the<br />
loss of over one million Muslims, as a result of Armenian activities, is not<br />
even mentioned? What kind of a holocoust is it that the aggressive side<br />
suffered much more losses than the attacked side?’</p>
<p> ‘……..Other Western scholars<br />
and writers too, agree that, rarely in history have facts been deliberately so<br />
distorted as to give a completely wrong Picture, as the Armenians have done for<br />
more than a century in connection with the so-called ‘Armenian question’. They<br />
succeeded in deceiving the public opinion of the Christian world because they<br />
posed as a martyred nation in the cause of Christ….’</p>
<p> </p>
<p>‘…In the field of propaganda, no one could surpass the Ottoman<br />
Christians, including mainly the Armenians, who used their positions as<br />
translators/interpreters in the embassies and consulates of the Powers to<br />
convince those Powers of their stories, and to sway their relief workers,<br />
missionaries and ecclesiastical leaders, about the genuineness of their case.<br />
Many a time a gullible Western journalist was trapped by their vociferations,<br />
and spread their tales……..’</p>
<p> </p>
<p>‘……According to the Reverend Dr Cyrus Hamlin, the first president<br />
of the American Robert College in Istanbul (now Bo?aziçi University), a<br />
propaganda bureau was set up in London in the 1870s which had, for its object,<br />
the foreign dissemination of all news prejudicial to the Turks. Hamlin stated<br />
that the onslaught of this ‘one-sided and unreliable information’ about any<br />
people would, after a period of years, stir up a hostility and hatred that<br />
could not be easily overcome………..’</p>
<p> </p>
<p>(Sonyel Salahi. The Great War and The Tragedy of Anatolia.<br />
p.170-182)</p>
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		<title>By: Arafat</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2012/04/csun-remembers-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-65413</link>
		<dc:creator>Arafat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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I don&#039;t hate all Muslims, nor do I think most Muslims wicked, but
I do detest Islam through and through and consider all Muslims confused human
beings. I have a right to think and say this in America because freedom exists
here, which it doesn&#039;t wherever Islam is the majority religion of a nation, ony
the degree of a dearth of freedom being the variable from one Islamic country
to another. 


Islam will always remain a death cult for a certain percentage of
its followers when they don&#039;t get their way. About no other major faith can
this be said. 


Finally,
Mohammed is one of the most despicable figures I have ever come across in
history respecting the capacity of one person for malevolently influencing
future history. Hitler and Marx are way up there too on the list. That&#039;s the
kind of company I put Mohammed with. And you should see the eyes open when I
narrate Mohammed&#039;s bloody and sexually perverted record to one who still knows
very little about Mohammed. For anyone who has retained their common sense and
moral intelligence, the more one knows about Islam and Mohammed the more that
person is going to be disgusted by Islam and Mohammed. Count on it.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t hate all Muslims, nor do I think most Muslims wicked, but<br />
I do detest Islam through and through and consider all Muslims confused human<br />
beings. I have a right to think and say this in America because freedom exists<br />
here, which it doesn&#8217;t wherever Islam is the majority religion of a nation, ony<br />
the degree of a dearth of freedom being the variable from one Islamic country<br />
to another. </p>
<p>Islam will always remain a death cult for a certain percentage of<br />
its followers when they don&#8217;t get their way. About no other major faith can<br />
this be said. </p>
<p>Finally,<br />
Mohammed is one of the most despicable figures I have ever come across in<br />
history respecting the capacity of one person for malevolently influencing<br />
future history. Hitler and Marx are way up there too on the list. That&#8217;s the<br />
kind of company I put Mohammed with. And you should see the eyes open when I<br />
narrate Mohammed&#8217;s bloody and sexually perverted record to one who still knows<br />
very little about Mohammed. For anyone who has retained their common sense and<br />
moral intelligence, the more one knows about Islam and Mohammed the more that<br />
person is going to be disgusted by Islam and Mohammed. Count on it.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2012/04/csun-remembers-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-65412</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The insinuation you are making here is sick. You cannot generalize the actions of relatively small groups of people that all happen to be part of the large number of Muslim people and then imply that all Muslims participate in and encourage Genocide. Based on this comment, you are living in a warped version of reality that uses sweeping generalizations rather than rationally judging people based on their individual merits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The insinuation you are making here is sick. You cannot generalize the actions of relatively small groups of people that all happen to be part of the large number of Muslim people and then imply that all Muslims participate in and encourage Genocide. Based on this comment, you are living in a warped version of reality that uses sweeping generalizations rather than rationally judging people based on their individual merits.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Lysholm</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2012/04/csun-remembers-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-65411</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Lysholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Armenian Genocide happened. Only Turkish liars would say anything different. Come speak with my grandparents for five minutes. They lived through it...tell me then how it did not happen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Armenian Genocide happened. Only Turkish liars would say anything different. Come speak with my grandparents for five minutes. They lived through it&#8230;tell me then how it did not happen!</p>
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		<title>By: corey_m</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2012/04/csun-remembers-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-65399</link>
		<dc:creator>corey_m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Armenians or
pro-Armenian historians are responsible to provide evidence that shows the
intent of Ottoman government to destroy Armenian ethnicity. Since the beginning
of these claims, such evidence was not provided. In addition, Armenian legal
authorities did not bring this issue to the international court or none of the
International Judicial branches recognized these acts as genocide. Because, the
judicial process requires facts and documents in order to come up with a
conclusion. Otherwise, the case stands as: “Your word to my word”

In addition, Malta trials by British government is great
example in order to show the lack of evidence. During those days, over 70
Ottoman government officials were arrested on charges of “Committing Genocide
on Armenian people” and taken to the Malta Island. British investigators
searched Ottoman government archives during the days of British invasion in
Istanbul (around 5 years) and couldn’t find any evidence to support their
claims. Finally, Turkish officials were released and brought back to Turkey.

Today, around 20 countries that recognized the relocation
in 1915 as ‘genocide’ have no historical basis. They did not create any
historical commission to investigate the issue or invite Turkish government to
present their position. They declared defendant as guilty on the evidence (in
this case, evidence is grandparents’ diaries) of prosecution alone. What a
democracy!


How about the quotes from Joseph Stalin where stated as: “The agents of
the Allied Powers are exaggerating Turkey’s campaign in Transcaucasia, take it
easy.” In the rest of the documents, he points out the large scale Armenian
revolt against Ottoman military camping before the relocation. In past couple
years, historian M.Perincek and his studies in Russia brought
significant evidence from Bolshevik archives. http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/03/2389-logical-fallacies-of-armenian.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armenians or<br />
pro-Armenian historians are responsible to provide evidence that shows the<br />
intent of Ottoman government to destroy Armenian ethnicity. Since the beginning<br />
of these claims, such evidence was not provided. In addition, Armenian legal<br />
authorities did not bring this issue to the international court or none of the<br />
International Judicial branches recognized these acts as genocide. Because, the<br />
judicial process requires facts and documents in order to come up with a<br />
conclusion. Otherwise, the case stands as: “Your word to my word”</p>
<p>In addition, Malta trials by British government is great<br />
example in order to show the lack of evidence. During those days, over 70<br />
Ottoman government officials were arrested on charges of “Committing Genocide<br />
on Armenian people” and taken to the Malta Island. British investigators<br />
searched Ottoman government archives during the days of British invasion in<br />
Istanbul (around 5 years) and couldn’t find any evidence to support their<br />
claims. Finally, Turkish officials were released and brought back to Turkey.</p>
<p>Today, around 20 countries that recognized the relocation<br />
in 1915 as ‘genocide’ have no historical basis. They did not create any<br />
historical commission to investigate the issue or invite Turkish government to<br />
present their position. They declared defendant as guilty on the evidence (in<br />
this case, evidence is grandparents’ diaries) of prosecution alone. What a<br />
democracy!</p>
<p>How about the quotes from Joseph Stalin where stated as: “The agents of<br />
the Allied Powers are exaggerating Turkey’s campaign in Transcaucasia, take it<br />
easy.” In the rest of the documents, he points out the large scale Armenian<br />
revolt against Ottoman military camping before the relocation. In past couple<br />
years, historian M.Perincek and his studies in Russia brought<br />
significant evidence from Bolshevik archives. <a href="http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/03/2389-logical-fallacies-of-armenian.html" rel="nofollow">http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/03/2389-logical-fallacies-of-armenian.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: corey_m</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2012/04/csun-remembers-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-65398</link>
		<dc:creator>corey_m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is the only alleged genocide that is not proven! Knowing they can never win in a
court room, Armenians pursued the political and media route where opinions can
be manipulated or even bought. Jewish Holocaust is a
court-proven reality and a uniquely irrefutable truth (remember Nuremberg?).
Armenian genocide, on the other hand, is always-alleged-never-court-proven
political allegation that totally ignores Armenian war crimes (raids, revolts,
treason, terrorism, territorial demand, Turkish suffering and losses because of
Armenian-committed-atrocities, and more.) Thus, they are not the same.Armenian genocide is a long
discredited, biased, and political claim. According to 1948 UN Convention,
intent must be proven after due process at a competent tribunal for a genocide
verdict to stand. No such tribunal (a la Nuremberg) was convened and no
genocide verdict exists. Insisting on a non-existing label, purely based on a
racist and dishonest version of history, boils down to lynching. When the six
T&#039;s of the Turkish-Armenian conflict are all truthfully considered, it will be
obvious that it was a inter-communal warfare fought by Christian and Muslim
irregulars. Truth should not be a fodder to newspaper ratings, political
support, or other such benefits.

 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the only alleged genocide that is not proven! Knowing they can never win in a<br />
court room, Armenians pursued the political and media route where opinions can<br />
be manipulated or even bought. Jewish Holocaust is a<br />
court-proven reality and a uniquely irrefutable truth (remember Nuremberg?).<br />
Armenian genocide, on the other hand, is always-alleged-never-court-proven<br />
political allegation that totally ignores Armenian war crimes (raids, revolts,<br />
treason, terrorism, territorial demand, Turkish suffering and losses because of<br />
Armenian-committed-atrocities, and more.) Thus, they are not the same.Armenian genocide is a long<br />
discredited, biased, and political claim. According to 1948 UN Convention,<br />
intent must be proven after due process at a competent tribunal for a genocide<br />
verdict to stand. No such tribunal (a la Nuremberg) was convened and no<br />
genocide verdict exists. Insisting on a non-existing label, purely based on a<br />
racist and dishonest version of history, boils down to lynching. When the six<br />
T&#8217;s of the Turkish-Armenian conflict are all truthfully considered, it will be<br />
obvious that it was a inter-communal warfare fought by Christian and Muslim<br />
irregulars. Truth should not be a fodder to newspaper ratings, political<br />
support, or other such benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Arafat</title>
		<link>http://sundial.csun.edu/2012/04/csun-remembers-armenian-genocide/comment-page-1/#comment-65394</link>
		<dc:creator>Arafat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting to note that the 20th centuries first genocide was committed by Muslims against Armenian Christians.  And the 20th centuries last genocide was committed by MUSLIMS against the people of Sudan.

And the 21st century begins with threats by MUSLIMS to commit genocide against the Jews of Israel.

Is anyone connecting the dots here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that the 20th centuries first genocide was committed by Muslims against Armenian Christians.  And the 20th centuries last genocide was committed by MUSLIMS against the people of Sudan.</p>
<p>And the 21st century begins with threats by MUSLIMS to commit genocide against the Jews of Israel.</p>
<p>Is anyone connecting the dots here?</p>
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