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The Armenian Student Association raised awareness for the Armenian Genocide in April 2011. There were 115 crosses displayed across the lawn behind the Ovaitt Library, each cross represented 13,000 people that died during the genocide on April 24, 1915. Sundial File Photo

Using the slogan “I am the 1.5 million,” the annual Armenian Genocide Remembrance Week will be held on CSUN’s campus starting April 23.

The event is meant to commemorate the 1.5 million Armenian individuals lost from 1915 to 1923, according to the United Human Rights Council.

Along with the Armenian Student Association (ASA), the sorority, Alpha Gamma Alpha and the fraternity, Alpha Epsilon Omega, helped craft the week long event open to the entire CSUN student body.

“Until my sophomore year, I hadn’t known about another genocide besides the Holocaust” said Daisy Hernandez, a junior biology major. “Is is a good idea for the group to raise awareness about it because people enter the school every year ignorant of it.”

Beginning today, the ASA will set up a Genocide Awareness display on the North Lawn next to Arbor Grill. An interactive Hand Print display and an Armenian Genocide timeline will also be shown from 12 – 4 p.m. The hand print display will allow students to put their unique handprints on butcher paper in front of the Oviatt Library on Matador Walk.

ASA will then host a silent march on Tuesday, starting near the Arbor Grill.

The events will wrap up on Thursday with a candlelight vigil near Matador Bookstore at 7 p.m. Presentations at the vigil will range from dance performances, poetry recitals, student speakers and an appearance by the Armenian Public Radio and guest speaker Greg Krikorian.

Despite the community experiencing many trials and hardships since the genocide, the memory of them still endures, said Alina Grigorian, a communications sophomore and ASA secretary.

The United Human Rights Council (UHRC) states the genocide of the Armenian community began in 1915 and is recognized as one of the first modern genocides due to the systematic elimination of a group.

“Not only are we recognizing the 1.5 million lost in this event, but that we are all alive,” said Talar Alexanian, a sophomore and vice president of the ASA. “After the Armenian genocide came the Holocaust and what is still occurring in Darfur… We can do our part in stopping crimes against humanity.”


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  • Pateel Ayvazian

    My fellow Turkish people and Turkish supporters,

    It is unfortunate that the Turkish government has suppressed each and every one of you from learning the truth about the crimes your ancestors had committed. On April 24, 1915 the Ottoman Empire started their systematic attempt to annihilate every Armenian on earth. I’m happy to say that didn’t happen. However, 1.5 million Armenians did loose their lives due to the inhumane, ruthless actions of the Turkish generals. Today, Turkey occupies our lands and most importantly our people. The Turkish government purposefully oppresses its citizens from learning the truth because they know of their injustices and future reparations that will soon follow. If, the Armenian genocide really wasn’t a genocide, the Turkish government should have no reason to hide the FACTS. One day, the Turkish officials will come to their senses and admit to their mistakes. Due to their unethical, cruel and cowardly actions, GENOCIDES occurred in Darfur, Sudan, Rwanda and Bosnia. HISTORY HAS AND WILL REPEAT ITSELF  IF PEOPLE DO NOT OPEN THEIR EYES AND LEARN THE TRUTH. Our grandparents fought for their lives, their people and their country and NO ONE can take that pride away from us. Although, Turkey’s mission was to exterminate every Armenian on this planet, it is my honor to say that we are strong, proud and determined individuals. Please, do us all a favor and open your eyes to the truth of our nation.

    Thank you.

  • zubeyde

    Here are  the testimonies of Turkish witnesses
    of the ATROCITIES THAT HAD BEEN INFLICTED BY THE ARMENIANS UPON TURKS AND OTHER MUSLIMS   http://www.karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm12eng.htm#z3

    MUHAMMET
    RESIT GÜLESER

    Father’s Name: Abdullah
    Mother’s Name: Habibe
    Place of Birth:
    Van
    Date of Birth: 1900

    I was a young student at the Dar’ül-Muallimin school, around 15 or 16
    years old during the Armenian massacres, and remember what happened quite well.
    Before the First World War, we had good neighborly relations with the Armenians
    (whose population was said to be approximately 17,000).

    With the declaration of the constitutional monarchy in 1908, they
    started to exploit the principles of independence, equality, and justice to
    their benefit. Their leader in Van, Aram Pasha, was in the delegation that
    notified Sultan Hamit that he would have to leave his throne. The Armenians set
    up an underground organization in Van, and dug tunnels which extended from near
    the Great Mosque (Büyük Cami) all the way to the old section of town. It was
    even possible to go through these tunnels on horseback. One day the tunnels were
    inadvertently discovered when a section caved near a guard. Even though Aram
    Pasha was detained near the Great Mosque based on the intelligence provided by
    an Armenian after the discovery, he was released without punishment due to the
    political sensitivities of the time.

    In short, the Armenians were very well organized. Already well
    established in commerce, they were doing very well financially. After the
    Armenians and Jews were permitted to join the military, groups of Armenians
    joined the military during the retreat of the Van division. The Armenians
    entered the military prepared — with their own weapons. Our soldiers were
    carrying German-made primitive weapons that after firing four shots, would drop
    the fifth bullet. According to what we had heard from Mr. Hacž Latif and others
    who later returned to Van, the Armenians in the Van division were shooting our
    soldiers in the back. There were also several cases of Armenian doctors and
    nurses poisoning our wounded soldiers who were hospitalized in Van after
    returning from the eastern front.

    Regarding the situation in Van, the Russians were approaching from
    three fronts, Muradiye, Özalp, and Baskale. The Armenians in the city were
    rebelling and continued an aggressive campaign against the Muslim population for
    29 days. We had three barracks, Hacž Bekir, Aziziye, and Toprakkale. Ten
    soldiers would guard each one. They raided these barracks and slaughtered the
    soldiers like sheep by slicing their throats. Ali Çavus was also martyred there.
    While our weak militia were digging trenches to try to fight, the Armenians made
    holes in the walls and were firing shots with machine guns, pouring cans of
    kerosene, lighting fires, and escaping through the deep tunnels. This brutal
    attack lasted 29 days. The decision to flee was finally made so that the Muslim
    population would not suffer any more deaths. Those with carts used them; those
    without were under desperate conditions, but we all joined the exodus. People
    left their children on the road, others died from hunger and
    disease.

    It should be remembered that the Armenians not only committed large
    massacres in Van, but in the villages as well. The homes in the villages of
    Tžmar, Baskale, and Özalp were stuffed with hay and set on fire. Those that
    tried to escape were killed with bullets and bayonets. The inhabitants of a few
    villages in Zeve organized and fought the Armenians, but almost all of them —
    from seven different villages — were killed. Mass graves are still being
    uncovered in these villages and a memorial was built.

    Of the twelve ships that carried the Muslim refugees from Van, four
    of them carried government employees and their families. All of the sailors
    aboard the vessels were Armenians. The Armenian bandits, aided by these sailors,
    forced the four government employee boats to dock at the Adžr island, and killed
    all of the passengers. As for those in the other eight boats, they were taken to
    another island near Tatvan where Armenian bandits were waiting, but were able to
    escape with few casualties because they were armed.

    When we left Van, we first went to Bitlis, and later to Diyarbakžr.
    We witnessed the Armenian savagery along the way. Finally, I will tell you about
    what we saw and heard upon returning to Van. The Armenians applied all types of
    torture to the inhabitants, God bless their souls. They paraded Isa Hodja, who
    was over 100 years old, on a donkey through the village, raided and looted
    homes, and gathered women and girls into Mr. Ziya’s home where they repeatedly
    raped them. They threw the bodies of the dead into wells, and even filled the
    well of our mosque with their victims’ bodies.

    When General Cevdet entered Van for the first time, he asked the
    gendarmes to escort 130 women whose husbands were at the front to Diyarbakžr.
    They had been stranded in Van because they did not have any transportation.
    About 30 of them stayed in our house. They spun wool to survive. They were also
    given military rations. They told us that there was no end to the torture and
    cruelties they suffered at the hands of the Armenian bandits. The Armenians
    skinned the men, castrated them, and raped and impaled the women.

    We returned to Van four years later. We stayed two years initially,
    but were forced to flee again when the Russians arrived. This time we went as
    far as Siirt. When we returned 200-250 Armenian families were seeking refuge on
    the Çarpanak island. They were hoping that the Turks would leave, and that they
    would resettle in Van. Most of them were artisans. A short time later, a new
    decree was issued, and they were sent to Revan under the protection of the
    government. However, Van, raided seven times by the enemy, was completely
    destroyed except for the Armenian quarters. We had to rebuild the
    city.

    SEYH
    CEMAL TALAY

    Father’s Name: Cimsid
    Mother’s Name: Fatma
    Place of Birth:
    Van
    Date of Birth: 1901

    The Russians were providing weapons to the Armenians. With military
    assistance from the Russians and encouragement from England, France, and the
    United States, all of which had consulates in Van, Armenians increased their
    hostilities in the beginning of 1915. The Russians were secretly providing them
    with sophisticated arms hidden in food supplies sent from Russia to the port of
    Trabzon, and from there sent by caravan to Van. The goods on the caravans were
    distributed in the center of the old city, and the hidden ammunition was
    secretly distributed to the Armenian militants. The leader of the Armenian
    rebellion in Van was Aram Pasha, but I don’t remember the name of the leader of
    the Dashnaks. They all had land claims, especially in Van. The 11th squadron was
    assigned to Van, but went to Erzurum to mobilize. The Armenian bandits were
    emboldened by this and started their campaign of terror against the Muslim
    inhabitants.

    The militants were launching raids on the Muslim villages and
    neighborhoods. The only thing we had to fight them with was a militia led by
    IImam Osman, composed of those either too old or too young to join the
    army.

    Let me tell you a story which I will never forget. I went to a school
    located near the government mansion. Armenians studied at the same school. Some
    of the students in the Armenian underground went to get a Muslim student named
    Rüstü from his home on the pretext of studying. They took him to the Isžtma
    bridge near the industrial park. After insulting him, they raped and killed him,
    leaving his body for his family to find the next day. The family later composed
    a ballad to honor his memory.

    I can remember the beginning of the skirmishes between the Muslims
    and Armenians. Our militia, which would meet in the Mahmut Aga barracks across
    the street from the Van State Hospital, was on duty a day before the war with
    the Armenians started. The Armenians prepared the night before and positioned
    themselves well. They had dug holes in the State mansion, and when our militia
    was preparing for morning prayer at a fountain nearby, the Armenians showered
    them with bullets. Many of our soldiers were killed. The fighting between local
    Muslims and Armenians had begun. Everyone took to the streets, and mass
    confusion ensued. Despite this, we got up and went to school. We had two
    teachers, one from Selanik, one from Edirne. They said “Come on kids, let’s all
    forgive each other, we might not see each other again,” and suggested we use the
    side streets to avoid Armenian bullets. I left school with some friends, but
    decided to take our regular route. We saw that weapons and munitions were being
    distributed in front of a munitions storage area for protection against the
    Armenians. We then noticed a few Armenians creeping up from behind, and notified
    the man distributing the weapons. He threw down the munitions in his hand and
    fired on them, and they ran away.

    The wars started on April 2-3, 1915. In 1914, the Russians had not
    been able to penetrate the front line, but they surrounded our soldiers from
    behind by passing Çaldžran-Bahçesaray, and established a headquarters in the
    Molla Hasan village.

    It was difficult to provide our soldiers with military supplies since
    the young students and elderly people carrying the equipment could not go
    further because of the cold weather. Many of them died.

    We couldn’t go anywhere either. But in the spring the Armenians went
    completely crazy. On May 10, 1915, the Russians were moving toward Van. On
    Governor Cevdet’s orders we evacuated Van, taking with us what we could carry.
    During the war, Armenian brutality had reached a stage that no one, including
    the old, sick, captive, women, or children, could escape. The atrocities reached
    the degree that even the Armenians’ main supporters, the Russians, were trying
    to prohibit their actions.

    My grandmother Mihri couldn’t flee with us because one of my uncles
    was paralyzed from the waist down. Unable to speak because of the shock of what
    happened in our absence, she later used sign language to explain what had
    transpired. They shaved my uncle’s mustache along with his flesh, and then took
    them to a house which they used as a detention center and tortured him and the
    other captives until the Russians arrived.

    When we became refugees there were 23 members of our family. We lost
    most of our family on the road to Bitlis and Urfa. Only two of us returned to
    Van. Our first stop on the road was Bitlis where we arrived in 11 days, and then
    went to Siirt, where we had relatives with whom we stayed for a few months. When
    we heard about the Russian advance, we again fled to Diyarbakžr. Our convoy
    consisted of 250 people. We suffered from hunger and thirst on the way. We went
    through Kurtalan and Diyarbakžr and the village of Kebir, where we didn’t stay
    long, and again took the road to return to Van. When we reached Kurtalan, we
    learned that the Russians had entered Van again and went to Siirt. In the spring
    of 1916 we went to Baghdad, but fled to Mardin when the English advanced. In
    1917 we arrived in Urfa. The French who entered Urfa started tormenting the
    Muslims by bringing the Aleppo Armenians to the city. This time we fought for 22
    days.

    We had left Van in 1915. When we were finally able to return, only
    two people remained from the 23-member family. Van was totally destroyed. The
    Armenians burned and demolished everything except for the Armenian-owned homes.
    In fact, when the Turkish army entered Van, around 2,000 Armenian artisans,
    expecting retaliation for their repression of the Turkish population, sought
    refuge on the island of Adžr. The Turkish government instead ensured their safe
    passage to Revan.

    BEKIR
    YÖRÜK

    Father’s Name: Yusuf
    Mother’s Name: Gülnaz
    Place of Birth:
    Van
    Date of Birth: 1900

    Q: Can you tell us as best as you can remember what the Armenians did
    in Van and Gevas?

    A: We lived in the same neighborhoods as the Armenians. We too lived
    in the Norsin neighborhood and got along well until the Russians intervened. In
    those days, Armenian youths established committees with Russian encouragement,
    and started causing trouble. They killed the superintendent of police and threw
    him in the park. They killed the postman in Hasbagž. They bombed a building now
    replaced by a bathhouse, and twenty people died in the explosion. When the
    constitutional monarchy was declared, the mufti and the priest shook hands and
    extolled the brotherhood of Muslims and Christians. The Mufti cried as he shook
    hands, but events developed against us. The committee members became
    increasingly out of control and the rebellion began. We fought the Armenians for
    29 days in Hasbagž. We had no weapons. When the division went to Erzurum, we
    remained completely defenseless.

    The Armenians who joined the army after the establishment of the
    constitutional monarchy used our weapons to shoot at us, and those who remained
    in the army hit our soldiers from behind. They also bombed the barracks. The
    young people and the elderly left in the Muslim neighborhoods would take turns
    guarding against the Armenians. Meanwhile, the Russians were sending them gold
    to finance their effort.

    This struggle lasted 29 days until the arrival of the Russians. The
    elderly Armenians didn’t want this fight because they were the wealthiest
    inhabitants of the area, and feared sacrificing their standard of living.
    Armenians owned up to 1,000 stores and sold European cloth in the old part of
    the city of Van. When these events broke out, inhabitants of nearby villages and
    towns all fled to Van, and those stores disappeared within two days.

    Fifty vessels full of people left Van, three of which carried wounded
    soldiers. Cevdet Pasha saw the passengers off at the pier. We went to Adžr
    Island, where the Armenians were training underground. We stayed on the island
    for nine days. The waves destroyed some of the ships with wooden sails. The
    island had wells and two bakeries. No one brought any supplies from Van. We were
    hungry and distraught. My elder brother was an officer and came back wounded
    from Erzurum. My brother realized that the Armenians would cut us off. He
    convinced his captain, and ten ships left from there, but we couldn’t go very
    far. Thank God we stayed close to shore. The next day we reached Tatvan, but
    under difficult circumstances. The day we left Van the Armenians had set
    everything ablaze. There were wounded soldiers from all parts of Turkey in Van,
    and the Armenians fired on apartments used as hospitals where they were staying.
    That is why Van is sacred ground with martyrs from 67 provinces [in
    Turkey].

    My uncle, Terren Aga, was very old, and we couldn’t take him with us
    when we left Van. His wife, daughter, and two grandchildren remained with him.
    Armenian hoodlums beat my uncle and the children with an ax and killed them. His
    daughter hid in an abandoned American school. When the Armenians found her, they
    killed her by throwing her from the second floor.

    We went to Bitlis from Tatvan where we remained for nearly two
    months. When the Russians arrived, we again went on the road. We then went to
    Hizan and Diyarbakžr. After we left, the Gendarme commander — who was crying
    like a baby — brought my uncle (who was Deputy Governor Ömer Bey) a report. A
    soldier named Mansur was also present. When we asked him to explain, he said
    that three days after Van was emptied they went to pick up the bodies. Hundreds
    of elderly women were impaled on stakes. They still had their scarves on and
    looked as if they were sitting. When they got closer they saw that they were
    killed before being impaled. They saw a woman who was split in two and her
    unborn child was placed on her chest.

    Muslims who witnessed these thousands of examples of inconceivable
    brutality tearfully reported the incidents to Ömer Bey, who then told Mustafa
    Kemal. When the Russians finally arrived, they were displeased with the
    savageness which resulted in the destruction of four-fifths of Van. In addition
    to those massacred by the Armenians, many people also died as they were fleeing.
    Many collapsed on the road from hunger and disease. No one was able to take
    anything with them when they left Van.

    When we returned to Van from exile three years later we found the
    Muslim neighborhoods leveled to the ground, but the areas owned by Armenians
    were left undamaged. When we returned there were about 2,000 Armenians living in
    Van who fled to the islands when the Turks started returning. Two years later,
    the government sent them to Revan.

    Q: Did you ever participate in the fighting or use a weapon?

    A: No, I have never used a weapon. I didn’t have a gun, plus they
    didn’t give me one because I was too young and didn’t know how to use it.
    Instead, I would bring food and water to the combatants.

    Q: What kind of equipment were the Armenians using?

    A: They had the latest equipment which was provided by Russia and
    England. They gave them weapons and had them fight us. The Armenians couldn’t do
    anything to us, but when they were armed, the balance was upset.

    Q: Did many people die in these and other clashes?

    A: Of course, thousands of people died. After fighting for 29 days,
    the then-Governor Cevdet Pasha commanded us to leave Van when he heard that the
    Russian forces were approaching. Cevdet Pasha was actually a very courageous
    man, but we had neither guns nor ammunition, while the Russians were armed with
    top of the line weapons.

    Q: Didn’t the Ottoman state take any precautions against the
    Armenians arming themselves to this extent? Didn’t word get around?

    A: People knew, and the government knew. Yet the military was on the
    fighting front, and only a few gendarmes were left in Van. They couldn’t do
    anything about it. The Armenians first shot Police Lieutenant Nuri Efendi, and
    blew up the Hamitaga barracks. Many soldiers were killed. Then they placed bombs
    in the Norsin Mosque and Hacž Naci Hodja Mosque. They blew up Hafžz Hodja along
    with his son. Our women were raped, and our children shot.

    Q: How was the evacuation carried out?

    A: We left from here on 50 ships. That day the weather was stormy and
    rainy, as if all hell broke loose. The ships ran into each other. They were
    unable to approach the pier for a long time. The weather hadn’t warmed up yet —
    I think it was April. We left before the Russians arrived. There were about 250
    people in our group, and 60 died. Some died at the hands of the Armenian
    bandits, others from cholera, disease, and hunger.

    My uncle, his family and children, were all cut into pieces with a
    hatchet under the mulberry tree in our neighborhood. They [Armenians] massacred
    all those that stayed behind when we left. We lived in the Norsin neighborhood
    at the time. They burned all of Van.

    All of this was planned by the Armenian committees which
    treacherously manipulated the Armenian population.

    Q: Do you remember the names of those committees?

    A: Dashnak was the most prominent one. There were others as well, but
    I don’t remember their names now. They received money and gold from Russia and
    England.

    Q: Did the Armenians kill many women and children?

    A: The elderly didn’t bother much, but all of their young people were
    armed. They killed whoever they could corner. They killed them and threw them
    into the lake or into the fire. For example, a woman was baking bread in a
    nearby village, and had her young child was at her side. The Armenians went into
    her backyard and asked her what she was doing. When she answered that she was
    baking bread, they insisted she needed a kebab as well, and pierced her child
    and threw him into the fire and burned him alive.

    What else can I tell you? God knows the extent of what went on.
    During our escape, we took off on the ships, and stayed around the islands for
    four days. We couldn’t sleep at night because of the wails, crying, and screams
    we heard all night. These were the cries we heard from surrounding villages:
    Zeve, Bardakçž, Kalaç, and Molla Kasžm. I hope God ensures that we don’t have to
    relive those days when these massacres took place.

    Q: Where did you go after the islands?

    A: From the islands we went to the Dervis village. It took us all day
    to get there. Ten ships were tied together at the edge of the lake. We were very
    frightened. In the morning we left toward Tatvan, and finally reached our
    destination. We were able to rest there, and later left toward
    Bitlis.

    Q: Do you remember how many people were with you in your
    convoy?

    A: There were between 10 and 20 thousand people in our
    convoy.

    Q: Did many people from your convoy die in the exodus?

    A: Of course.

    Q: Could you tell us how they died?

    A: The women couldn’t take care of the children. Some would leave
    them in remote areas. Hunger and disease were rampant. For example, Ömer Efendi
    wrapped his child in rags and left him alive under a tree as we approached the
    Bitlis creek. There were many other children like this thrown into the Bitlis
    creek, or buried when they died. But Ömer Efendi regretted what he did, and a
    few days later went to retrieve the child and brought him back
    alive.

    Q: How long were you a refugee?

    A: Three years.

    Q: What did you find when you returned to Van? How was Van, was there
    much damage?

    A: I saw Van; it was completely destroyed and burned

  • zubeyde

    Little attention is paid to the fact that in 1800 a vast Muslim
    land existed in Anatolia, the Balkans, 
    and southern Russia. By 1923 only Anatolia, eastern Thrace and a section
    of the southeastern Caucasus remained as Muslim land. The Balkan Muslims were
    largely gone, dead or forced to migrate….The same fate had overcome the Muslims
    of the Crimea, the northern Caucasus and Russian Armenia- they were simply
    gone. Millions of Muslims, most of them Turks, had died; millions had fled to
    what is today Turkey. ‘Between 1821 and 1922, more than five million Muslims
    were driven from their lands. Five and a half (5.5)  million Muslims died, some of them killed in
    wars, others perished as refugees from starvation and disease’ points out
    McCarthy’.

    ‘Despite the historical importance of the Muslim losses, it is not
    to be found in textbooks……

    ‘According to Caleb F Gates, president of Robert College, the
    Armenian population statistics in January 1921, as confirmed by the Armenian
    Patriarchate was as follows: Armenians in Ottoman provinces approximetely 600
    000; Armenians alive 944 900; Armenian total loss 355 000. (FO 371/6556/E 2730:
    Gates to Rumbold, 16.2.1921, giving the statistics of the Armenians then living
    in Turkey, obtained from the Armenian Patriarch)’.

     

    ‘In the light of these statistics, how can the loss of about 400
    000 Armenians be labelled as ‘massacres, genocide, or proto-Holocaust’ and the
    loss of over one million Muslims, as a result of Armenian activities, is not
    even mentioned? What kind of a holocoust is it that the aggressive side
    suffered much more losses than the attacked side?’

     ‘……..Other Western scholars
    and writers too, agree that, rarely in history have facts been deliberately so
    distorted as to give a completely wrong Picture, as the Armenians have done for
    more than a century in connection with the so-called ‘Armenian question’. They
    succeeded in deceiving the public opinion of the Christian world because they
    posed as a martyred nation in the cause of Christ….’

     

    ‘…In the field of propaganda, no one could surpass the Ottoman
    Christians, including mainly the Armenians, who used their positions as
    translators/interpreters in the embassies and consulates of the Powers to
    convince those Powers of their stories, and to sway their relief workers,
    missionaries and ecclesiastical leaders, about the genuineness of their case.
    Many a time a gullible Western journalist was trapped by their vociferations,
    and spread their tales……..’

     

    ‘……According to the Reverend Dr Cyrus Hamlin, the first president
    of the American Robert College in Istanbul (now Bo?aziçi University), a
    propaganda bureau was set up in London in the 1870s which had, for its object,
    the foreign dissemination of all news prejudicial to the Turks. Hamlin stated
    that the onslaught of this ‘one-sided and unreliable information’ about any
    people would, after a period of years, stir up a hostility and hatred that
    could not be easily overcome………..’

     

    (Sonyel Salahi. The Great War and The Tragedy of Anatolia.
    p.170-182)

  • Jessica Lysholm

    The Armenian Genocide happened. Only Turkish liars would say anything different. Come speak with my grandparents for five minutes. They lived through it…tell me then how it did not happen!

  • corey_m

    Armenians or
    pro-Armenian historians are responsible to provide evidence that shows the
    intent of Ottoman government to destroy Armenian ethnicity. Since the beginning
    of these claims, such evidence was not provided. In addition, Armenian legal
    authorities did not bring this issue to the international court or none of the
    International Judicial branches recognized these acts as genocide. Because, the
    judicial process requires facts and documents in order to come up with a
    conclusion. Otherwise, the case stands as: “Your word to my word”

    In addition, Malta trials by British government is great
    example in order to show the lack of evidence. During those days, over 70
    Ottoman government officials were arrested on charges of “Committing Genocide
    on Armenian people” and taken to the Malta Island. British investigators
    searched Ottoman government archives during the days of British invasion in
    Istanbul (around 5 years) and couldn’t find any evidence to support their
    claims. Finally, Turkish officials were released and brought back to Turkey.

    Today, around 20 countries that recognized the relocation
    in 1915 as ‘genocide’ have no historical basis. They did not create any
    historical commission to investigate the issue or invite Turkish government to
    present their position. They declared defendant as guilty on the evidence (in
    this case, evidence is grandparents’ diaries) of prosecution alone. What a
    democracy!

    How about the quotes from Joseph Stalin where stated as: “The agents of
    the Allied Powers are exaggerating Turkey’s campaign in Transcaucasia, take it
    easy.” In the rest of the documents, he points out the large scale Armenian
    revolt against Ottoman military camping before the relocation. In past couple
    years, historian M.Perincek and his studies in Russia brought
    significant evidence from Bolshevik archives. http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/03/2389-logical-fallacies-of-armenian.html

  • corey_m

    this is the only alleged genocide that is not proven! Knowing they can never win in a
    court room, Armenians pursued the political and media route where opinions can
    be manipulated or even bought. Jewish Holocaust is a
    court-proven reality and a uniquely irrefutable truth (remember Nuremberg?).
    Armenian genocide, on the other hand, is always-alleged-never-court-proven
    political allegation that totally ignores Armenian war crimes (raids, revolts,
    treason, terrorism, territorial demand, Turkish suffering and losses because of
    Armenian-committed-atrocities, and more.) Thus, they are not the same.Armenian genocide is a long
    discredited, biased, and political claim. According to 1948 UN Convention,
    intent must be proven after due process at a competent tribunal for a genocide
    verdict to stand. No such tribunal (a la Nuremberg) was convened and no
    genocide verdict exists. Insisting on a non-existing label, purely based on a
    racist and dishonest version of history, boils down to lynching. When the six
    T’s of the Turkish-Armenian conflict are all truthfully considered, it will be
    obvious that it was a inter-communal warfare fought by Christian and Muslim
    irregulars. Truth should not be a fodder to newspaper ratings, political
    support, or other such benefits.

     

  • Arafat

    It’s interesting to note that the 20th centuries first genocide was committed by Muslims against Armenian Christians.  And the 20th centuries last genocide was committed by MUSLIMS against the people of Sudan.

    And the 21st century begins with threats by MUSLIMS to commit genocide against the Jews of Israel.

    Is anyone connecting the dots here?

    • DJ Hoffman

      The insinuation you are making here is sick. You cannot generalize the actions of relatively small groups of people that all happen to be part of the large number of Muslim people and then imply that all Muslims participate in and encourage Genocide. Based on this comment, you are living in a warped version of reality that uses sweeping generalizations rather than rationally judging people based on their individual merits.

      • Arafat

        I don’t hate all Muslims, nor do I think most Muslims wicked, but
        I do detest Islam through and through and consider all Muslims confused human
        beings. I have a right to think and say this in America because freedom exists
        here, which it doesn’t wherever Islam is the majority religion of a nation, ony
        the degree of a dearth of freedom being the variable from one Islamic country
        to another.

        Islam will always remain a death cult for a certain percentage of
        its followers when they don’t get their way. About no other major faith can
        this be said.

        Finally,
        Mohammed is one of the most despicable figures I have ever come across in
        history respecting the capacity of one person for malevolently influencing
        future history. Hitler and Marx are way up there too on the list. That’s the
        kind of company I put Mohammed with. And you should see the eyes open when I
        narrate Mohammed’s bloody and sexually perverted record to one who still knows
        very little about Mohammed. For anyone who has retained their common sense and
        moral intelligence, the more one knows about Islam and Mohammed the more that
        person is going to be disgusted by Islam and Mohammed. Count on it.

  • Kirlikovali

    References:

     

    [1]  History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey, Vol I & II,
    Stanford Shaw (Cambridge University Press, London, New York, Melbourne, 1976)

     

    [2]  The Story Behind Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story, Heath W. Lowry ( The
    Isis Press, Istanbul, Turkey, 1990)

     

    [3]  The Ottoman Peoples and the End of Empire, Justin McCarthy (Arnold,
    London, U.K., 2001

     

    [4]  Declaration Signed by 69 Prominent North American Academicians, New
    York Times and Washington Post, may 19, 1985 (for a copy:  http://www.turkla.com/yazar.php?mid=338&yid=4

     
    [5]  Ermeniler:  Sürgün ve Göç, Türk Tarih Kurumu (Ankara, Turkey,
    2004)
     
    [6]  Houshamatyan of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, Centennial,
    Album-Atlas, Volume I, Epic Battles, 1890-1914 (The Next Day Color Printing,
    Inc., Glendale, CA, U.S.A., 2006)
     
    [7]  The Armenian Rebellion at Van, Justin McCarthy, Esat Arslan,
    Cemaletting Taskiran, Omer Turan (The University of Utah Press, Salt lake City,
    USA, 2006)
     
    [8]  The Armenian File, Kamuran Gurun (Rustem Bookshop, Mersin, Turkey,
    1985)
     
    [9]  The Armenians in History and the Armenian Question, Esat Uras
    (Documentary Publications, Istanbul, Turkey, 1988)
     
    [10]  Free E-Book : “Genocide Of Truth” by Sukru Server Aya,
    Based On Neutral or Anti-Turkish Sources ( Istanbul Commerce University,
    Turkey, 2008)  For a copy:  http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/04/2429-new-e-book-genocide-of-truth-based.html

     
    [11] “Pursuing the Just Cause of Their People”, Michael M. Gunter (Greenwood
    Press, New York, USA, 1986)
     
    [12]  “Ermenilerin Zorunlu Göçü, 1915-1917, Kemal Cicek (Turk tarih
    Kurumu, Ankara, Turkey, 2005)
     
    [13]  Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
    Genocide, Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the United Nations General
    Assembly on 9 December 1948: http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

     
    [14]  Article 6, Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime
    of Genocide, Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the United Nations General
    Assembly on 9 December 1948: http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

     
    [15]  Article 2, Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime
    of Genocide, Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the United Nations General
    Assembly on 9 December 1948: http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

     
    [16]  Ergun KIRLIKOVALI,  2003, “It Was Not ‘Genocide’; It was – and
    still is – ‘Ethocide’ “, http://www.turkiye.net/bbasol/gorusler27.htm

     

    [17]  Ergun KIRLIKOVALI, 2003, “SOYKIRIM DEGIL, AHLAKKIRIM ” 

    ( http://www.turkla.com/yazar.php?mid=323&yid=4 )

  • Kirlikovali

    “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT”:

     

    1) TUMULT (as in numerous Armenian
    armed uprisings between 1890 and 1920) 

     

    2) TERRORISM (by Armenian
    nationalists and militias victimizing Ottoman-Muslims between 1882-1920) 

     

    3) TREASON (Armenians joining the
    invading enemy armies as early as 1914 and lasting until 1921) 

     

    4) TERRITORIAL DEMANDS (from 1877 to
    present, where Armenians were a minority, not a majority, attempting to
    establish Greater Armenia.  Ironically, if the Armenians succeeded, it
    would be one of the first apartheids of the 20th Century, with a Christian
    minority ruling over a Muslim majority ) 

     

    5) TURKISH SUFFERING AND LOSSES
    (i.e. those caused by the Armenian nationalists: 524,000 Muslims, mostly Turks,
    met their tragic end at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries during WWI, per
    Turkish Historical Society. This figure is not to be confused with 2.5 million
    Muslim dead who lost their lives due to non-Armenian causes during WWI. Grand
    total: more than 3 million, according to Justin McCarthy)

     

    6) TERESET (temporary resettlement)
    triggered by the first five T’s above and amply documented as such; not to be
    equated to the Armenian misrepresentations as genocide.) 

    Armenians, thus, effectively put an
    end to their millennium of relatively peaceful and co-habitation in Anatolia
    with Turks, Kurds, Circassians, and other Muslims by killing their Muslim
    neighbors and openly joining the invading enemy. Muslims were only defending
    their home like any citizen anywhere would do.

  • Kirlikovali

    VERDICT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS AMOUNTS TO LYNCHING
     
    Those who take the Armenian “allegations” of genocide at face value seem to
    also ignore the following facts concerning international law:
     
    1- Genocide is a legal, technical term precisely defined by the U.N. 1948
    convention (Like all proper laws, it is not retroactive to 1915.)  
     
    2- Genocide verdict can only be given by a “competent court” after
    “due process” where both sides are properly represented and evidence
    mutually cross examined. 
     
    3-  For a genocide verdict, the accusers must prove “intent” and “motive”
    at a competent court and by allowing due process to run its natural
    course.  This was not, perhaps cannot ever be, done by the Armenians,
    whose evidence mostly fall into five major categories:  hearsay, 
    mis-representations, exaggerations, forgeries, and “other”. 
     
    4- Such a “competent court” was never convened in the case of
    Turkish-Armenian conflict and a genocide verdict does not exist  (save a
    Kangaroo court in occupied Istanbul in 1920 where partisanship, vendettas, and
    revenge motives left no room for due process.) 
     
    5-  Genocide claim is political, not historical or factual.  It reflects
    bias against Turks. Therefore, the  term genocide must be used with the
    qualifier “alleged”, for scholarly objectivity and truth.
     
    6- Recognizing Armenian claim as genocide will deeply insult
    Turkish-Americans  as well as Turkish-Europeans, and Turks around the
    globe.  Such a conduct would negatively influence the  excellent
    relations currently enjoyed between the U.S. and Turkey, if not the West and
    Turkey.  It will, no doubt, please Armenian lobbies in the U.S. Europe and
    Turkey but disappoint, insult, and outrage Turkey,  one of America’s
    closest allies since the Korean War of  1950-53. Turks stood shoulder to
    shoulder with Americans in Gulf War, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and
    more.   Armenian lobbies will have been allowed to poison  the
    U.S.-Turkey relations.  American gratitude and thanks will appear to come
    in the form of the worst insult that can be dished out to an entire nation.
     
    7- History is not a matter of “conviction, consensus,  political
    resolutions, propaganda, or public relations.” History is a matter of
    research, peer review, thoughtful debate, and honest scholarship. Even
    historians, by definition, cannot decide on a genocide verdict, which is
    reserved only for a “competent tribunal” with its legal expertise and
    due process.
     
    8- What we witness today, therefore, amounts to lynching of the Turks by
    Armenians and their supporters to satisfy the age old Armenian hate, bias, and
    bigotry.  American values like fairness, presumption of innocence until
    proven guilty, objectivity, balance, honesty, and freedom of speech are stumped
    under the fanatic Armenian feet.  Unprovoked , unjustified, and unfair
    defamation of Turkey, one of America’s closest allies in the troubled Middle
    East, the Balkans, and the Caucasus, in order to appease some nagging Armenian
    activists runs counter to American interests.
     
    9- Hate-based, divisive, polarizing, and historically biased proclamations,
    such as Schiff’s HR 106, have never been an American way to do business. Why
    start now?
     
    10- Those who claim genocide verdict today, based on the much discredited
    Armenian evidence, are actually engaging in “conviction and execution
    without due process”, which is the dictionary definition of “lynch mobs”.

  • Kirlikovali

    THOSE WHO CLAIM GENOCIDE ARE
    INSULTING THE SILENT MEMORY OF MILLIONS OF TURKISH VICTIMS OF WWI

    Those who claim Turks need to
    apologize or show sensitivity to victims of WWI and/or their
    descendants—without remembering or respecting the Muslim, mostly Turkish,
    victims of the same WWI due to same wartime conditions—are insulting the silent
    memory of millions of Muslim, mostly Turkish, victims of WWI tragedy.  They
    are also engaging in Ethocide.
     
    A new term coined by a Turkish-American in 2003, Ethocide means “systematic
    extermination of ethics via malicious mass deception for political, economical,
    religious, social, and other gain.”  Ethocide comes with a new Turkish
    companion term: “AHLAKKIRIM” 
     
    If an apology is needed today, then the entire humanity should apologize for
    the mistakes and excesses of the past generations, without resorting to
    “selective morality” and discrimination on the basis of ethnicity, race, or
    religion.  And if more sensitivity is required, then it should be provided
    by all for all, without resorting to division, polarization, hostility, bias,
    or bigotry.  Our accounts of WWI are replete with expressions of sadness
    and sympathy for all the victims of WWI, Turk, Kurd, Laz, Circassian, Armenian,
    Arab, Greek, Jew, and all others.  We do not feel we should segregate the
    Armenians or others from this lot and grieve only for them. 
     
    If an apology is needed today, we should all start apologizing for the world
    hunger, global warming, aids epidemics, endless wars, inequity in income
    distribution, plundering human and natural resources, violation of civil rights
    of women, children, and some cases all humans, global lack of education and
    health care,  and more. 
     
    ISN’T IT TIME TO STOP FIGHTING THE FIRST WORLD WAR AND GIVE PEACE A
    CHANCE?
     
    We would like to conclude with a heartfelt message of peace: 
     
    We wish the entire world just and lasting peace, good health, balanced and
    thriving nature, sufficient prosperity and unlimited happiness in the coming
    years. 
     
    As Ataturk so ably put it for all of us:  “Peace at home, Peace in the
    World.”
     

    Sincerely,

    Ergun Kirlikovali

    Son of Turkish Survivors on both the
    Paternal & Maternal Sides

  • Kirlikovali

    GENOCIDE ALLEGATIONS IGNORE “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN
    CONFLICT”

    While some amongst us may be
    forgiven for taking the ceaseless Armenian propaganda at face value and
    believing blatant Armenian falsifications merely because they are repeated so
    often, it is difficult and painful for people like us, sons and daughters
    of  the Turkish survivors most of whose signatures you see below.

     
    Those seemingly endless “War years” of 1912-1922  (seferberlik yillari)
    brought wide-spread death and destruction on to all Ottoman citizens. No
    Turkish family was left untouched, those of most of the signatories’ below
    included.  Those nameless, faceless, selfless Turkish victims are killed
    for a second time today with politically motivated and baseless charges of
    Armenian genocide.

     

    Allegations of Armenian genocide are
    racist and dishonest history.
     
    They are racist because they imply only Armenian (or Christian) dead count, the
    Turkish (or Muslim) dead do not.  The former must be remembered and
    grieved; the latter must be ignored and forgotten.  Do you know how many
    Muslims, mostly Turks, were killed during World War One?  Answer: About 3
    million, including half a million of them at the hands of well-armed, well-motivated,
    and ruthless Armenian revolutionaries and para-military thugs. Compare that
    with less than 300,000 Armenian casualties which number is gradually magnified
    to 1.5 million over the years through Armenian propaganda.  
     
    And the allegations of Armenian genocide are dishonest because they simply
    dismiss
     
    “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT”

     

     

    GENOCIDE ALLEGATIONS IGNORE “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN
    CONFLICT”

    While some amongst us may be
    forgiven for taking the ceaseless Armenian propaganda at face value and
    believing blatant Armenian falsifications merely because they are repeated so
    often, it is difficult and painful for people like us, sons and daughters
    of  the Turkish survivors most of whose signatures you see below.

     
    Those seemingly endless “War years” of 1912-1922  (seferberlik yillari)
    brought wide-spread death and destruction on to all Ottoman citizens. No
    Turkish family was left untouched, those of most of the signatories’ below
    included.  Those nameless, faceless, selfless Turkish victims are killed
    for a second time today with politically motivated and baseless charges of
    Armenian genocide.

     

    Allegations of Armenian genocide are
    racist and dishonest history.
     
    They are racist because they imply only Armenian (or Christian) dead count, the
    Turkish (or Muslim) dead do not.  The former must be remembered and
    grieved; the latter must be ignored and forgotten.  Do you know how many
    Muslims, mostly Turks, were killed during World War One?  Answer: About 3
    million, including half a million of them at the hands of well-armed, well-motivated,
    and ruthless Armenian revolutionaries and para-military thugs. Compare that
    with less than 300,000 Armenian casualties which number is gradually magnified
    to 1.5 million over the years through Armenian propaganda.  
     
    And the allegations of Armenian genocide are dishonest because they simply
    dismiss
     
    “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT”

     

      

     

     

  • Kirlikovali

     
    BIAS IN THE PHRASE “ARMENIAN GENOCIDE”

     
    If one cherishes values like objectivity, truth, and honesty, then one should
    use the phrase  “Turkish-Armenian conflict”.  Asking someone “Do you
    accept or deny Armenian Genocide” shows anti-Turkish bias. The question, in all
    fairness, should be re-phrased: “What is your stand on the Turkish-Armenian
    conflict?” 
     
    Turks believe it was a civil war within a world war, engineered, provoked, and
    waged by the Armenians with active support from Russia, England, and France,
    and passive support from the U.S. diplomats, missionaries, media, and others
    with anti-Turkish agendas, all eyeing the vast territories of the collapsing
    Ottoman Empire.

    Most Armenians claim that  the
    wartime TERESET (temporary resettlement) of the Armenians was genocide, based
    on dubious evidence, hearsay, forgeries, and highly refutable arguments,
    totally ignoring the Armenian complicity in war crimes ranging from raids,
    rebellions, and terrorism to treason, causing many casualties in the Muslim,
    mostly Turkish, community, all of which triggered the TERESET.
      Genocide is  a legal term with a very specific definition
    requiring, not a political, but a LEGAL judgment, which the Armenians
    lack.  There is massive evidence to the contrary, clearly pointing to a
    civil war fought by Muslim and Christian irregulars.