Shut up about the “two-state solution.” In a classic case of false advertising: President Obama tries to push “separate but equal” on the Palestinians

The flags of Israel and Palestine with photos of an armed Israeli soldier and an angry youth. Photo Illustration by Kurt Strazdins / MCT
The flags of Israel and Palestine with photos of an armed Israeli soldier and an angry youth. Photo Illustration by Kurt Strazdins / MCT

The “two-state solution” seems like a fair way to solve the problem in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestine. The Israel Lobby (American Israel Public Affairs Committee), President Obama, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas all back it so what could be the problem?

Israel gets their state and Palestinians get Palestine. Problem solved, right? Unfortunately, a fair “solution” for a Palestinian state has never and will never be offered by Israel. There is only one fair solution at this late stage with Israelis and Palestinians more intertwined than ever. Separation is not an option. The only answer is full human rights for all Israelis and Palestinians in one secular and democratic state.

The first “two-state solution” was United Nations Resolution 181, passed in 1947. Under the diplomatic cover of the UN, White Western Europe and the US decided to carve up indigenous Arab land, which wasn’t theirs to give away. Israel has benefited from being a colonial settler state from the get go.

Fifty-five percent of Palestine was “given” to the Jewish State even though Jews owned only 8 percent of the land at the time. The “Arab State” would get 42 percent even though they owned 92 percent of the land. Jerusalem was to be shared 50/50, as an international city.

Contrary to popular lies, it wasn’t an empty land. Palestine was a historic civilization; here villages are hundreds if not thousands of years old. Many Palestinian towns were in the process of modernizing. Villages were shared by Christians and Muslims, schools added foreign language courses for children, and sophisticated plumbing and irrigation systems were newly added. Tragically, this beautiful civilization was destroyed. Palestine would soon be lost forever.

The injustice of “partitioning” away over half their land was apparent to the Palestinians; they summarily turned down the offer. Can you blame them? Who would willingly give up more than half of their country? David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, organized a secret group called The Consultancy, whose Plan Dalet was the blueprint for Ethnic Cleansing. The founder of the State of Israel foreshadowed what was to come, “We must expel Arabs and take their places.”

This “expelling of Arabs” was the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, and is remembered as the Nakba (Arabic meaning catastrophe or disaster). In all, approximately 800,000 Palestinians were forced from their country by psychological torture, brute military force, random terrorist attacks, biological warfare, and ultimately wanton civilian massacres such as the one seen in Deir Yassin. In what could be seen as the perfect metaphor, the Palestinian village of Khayriyya (Arabic for “The Blessing of the Land) was demolished and in its place, the garbage dump for Tel Aviv was built. Approximately 13 towns and 419 villages were ethnically cleansed so Jewish Zionists could “take their places.”

In response to the refugee crisis, the UN passed Resolution 194 in December 1948. It guaranteed the right of all the refugees of Palestine to return to their homes at the earliest possible date. This “right of return,” for the approximately 800,000 refugees and their descendents is sacred, absolute, and non-negotiable.

The second attempt at a “two-state solution” was in 1949. The UN’s Palestine Conciliation Commission made the unconditional return of all refugees, along with a 50/50 split of Palestine, the conditions for peace. According to Israeli historian Ilan Pappe’s book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, everyone accepted this as a fair solution, “The US, the UN, the Arab world, the Palestinians, and Israel’s foreign minister.” So who prevented peace? Prime Minister of Israel, David Ben Gurion and King Abdullah of Jordan had other plans to divide Palestine between them.

In 1967, Israel occupied the remaining 22 percent of Palestine they didn’t cleanse the first time around (The West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip). Forty-two years later this now amounts to the longest military occupation in modern human history. Israel almost immediately started building colonies on this occupied land. Currently, there are almost 500,000 Israeli settlers living in illegal colonies in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Every last one of these settlements is a violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which states an occupying power cannot transfer its population into an occupied territory.

The occupation continues, and the Palestinians are barely clinging to life. You may hear a lot of talk on the news about Obama’s demand for an Israeli “settlement freeze.” But this plea for Israel to put an end to the colonization of Palestine is nothing new.

Israel’s participation in 2003’s Road Map for Peace required Israel to “dismantle settlement outposts erected since March 2001” and to “freeze all settlement activity.” Since the occupation began in 1967, and President Lyndon Johnson called settlements “an obstacle to peace,” every US administration has subsequently denounced settlements.

If Israel knows the US offers only empty threats, why would they stop their takeover of Palestine? Are Jim Crow-style, Jewish-only villages and roads, and hundreds of humiliating checkpoints the way to peace?

Isn’t a “two-state solution” nothing more than segregation all over again? It seems like it’s a terribly racist thing to say, “These people can’t possibly live together; they have to be separated (equally).” The two-state solution is nothing more than “separate but equal” on a grand scale.

“Supporters of Israel” advocate a racially and religiously pure state for them and them alone. I hear talk of establishment of a Palestinian state, and a “democratic Jewish state.” Could America be a democracy for an African-American minority if we were officially a “White Christian Nation”? Of course not. So, why is segregation glorified in the Holy Land?

Stay tuned for Part two: Israel and Palestine already live in one state. Let’s make it official (and fair).

  • I won’t bother replying to all those Zionist nudniks, like the person who thinks Zionist institutions in Palestine were set up by Jews who had been there thousands of years (with names like Grunstein, Shertok and Myerson?) The truth is the British issued the Balfour Declaration for their own purposes (and Balfour had no love for Jews, and sought to keep us out of UK). Then after World War II the US preferred to see refugees from Europe head that way. Same with those coming from Russia later. And then there’s those who were brought from Iraq and Morocco…
    Point is, having got this far, how to set things right. The Palestinian fighters who took the lead in PLO thought at first they could wage a guerilla struggle like in Algeria and drive the colonists out. Then they realised they needed some programme that would enable Jews to live alongside Palestinians, and put forward the secular democratic state (for all that it referred to Jews, christians and Muslims, as if the problem was religious communities, stopping short of recognising the national entity). It was after the 1973 war and with Sinai returning to Egypt that the PLO leadership started turning to the idea of setting up a state alongside Israel.
    The US and Israel were not interested. They tried to destroy the PLO in Lebanon, and thought they had succeeded – until they got a shock with the first Intifada, and the world saw they were dealing with a nation, not just a few “terrorists”.
    It looked at one point as though US-brokered talks were leading to the “two state solution” – not a solution, in my view, but certainly a step away from permanent occupation and conflict. But Clinton told Arafat not to proclaim a state, Israel did everything to humiliate and undermine the Palestinian authority and sabotage its economy, while carrying on with strategic settlements; and the disillusioned Palestinian people turned in large numbers to Hamas. (whose tactics also deliberately undermined their own side’s efforts, being designed not to defeat Israel but to capture the Palestinian street).
    So many deaths later we are back at square one. Except nobody is talking about a secular democratic state. Not Hamas, obviously. But between now and the vision of restored caliphate they are desperately trying to re-open talks with Israel and the United States. Meanwhile Israel has a government that sees no reason to accept a Palestinian state, and abandon its settlements, let alone alone accept Palestinians returning as equals.
    Maybe if enough Israelis and Palestinians get fed up and are admitted to the USA you could as easily get one state for them in California.
    But otherwise I would suggest the need is not for Obama to “shut up about two states” but to make it more than talk by putting pressure on Israel to withdraw, and recognising and aiding a real Palestinian state – not a Reservation! Economic sense and progress would push the two states soon enough into merger or federation as equals. But without real forces for change, talk of one state is just idle dreaming.

  • Word

    Amazing article Joseph.

    Also I commend you on your responses to these hasbara cut and pasters.

    Your passion for justice in Palestine is amazing. I believe it is in our life time that apartheid will no longer exist in Palestine, and these racist Israeli supporters will go the way of the KKK.

  • newhavendan

    This article is wonderful and factually correct. It’s sad that the coverage of Israel/Palestine is so biased in the U.S. that people find this article controversial. It is not.

    I recommend reading Jeff Halper’s An Israeli in Palestine to get up to speed on the issue. That, or go to the West Bank in person (as I did) and see the Israeli ethnic cleansing campaign firsthand. I’m not lying; this is reality. Check it out for yourself if you don’t believe me.

  • Coexist

    “It’s easier than you think…..That is if you actually care about Palestinians more than you care about hating Israel.”

    -Where did he establish that he hates Israel? Not accepting as legitimate the current borders of a country and disagreeing with how it was founded does NOT logically equate to hate. If you think it does, go take some logic courses because that conclusion cannot even be inferred let alone deduced.

    “I will, in short say, the article is belittling of the issue, horrible, and should be exposed for what it is – HATE LITERATURE. It belongs aside of Mein Kamph and other hate literature. ”

    -And I will, in short, say that this statement is a horrible analogy. There is nothing hateful about Joseph’s article in the least. To compare it to Mein Kampf shows that you haven’t even the slightest clue what the Mein Kampf is.

    I think it is clearly established here that the opinion is based in an interest for both people to live peacefully together. If one is to believe otherwise, that Jews and Palestinians cannot live peacefully together, then it is just a reinforcement of this “hatred” that you yourself have created, and that you so aptly spin around and crucify yourselves with.

    All of this talk of “hating Israel” is created by the Israel-supporter who has no better complaint to fall back on, besides claiming the archaic “woe-is-me” statement that projects the perfectly calculated victimized image of Israel – an image that is beyond irrational and imaginary. What has the state of Israel fallen victim to that the Palestinians weren’t already themselves victims to first? Labeling a people who fight in self-defense as the aggressors is a cheap and pathetic shot at legitimizing any and all claims against a bi-national state and is a good way to share anti-Palestinian sentiments.

  • Joseph

    Roman: I agree with you 100%. Since Ahmadinejad stole an election in Iran, the children of Gaza must die. In fact 400 wasn’t enough, let’s go for round two. Since Hamas hides bombs inside their babies diapers, they should all just die.

  • Joseph

    Aaron: My entire response was to the first commenter only: here is what I have to say to you:

    “Palestinians have NEVER been Israeli citizens.”

    -This is sort of a bizarre statement. You’re basically saying people don’t have a right to be in a country that was created in their homeland without their consent. In other words, according to your rationale: Jewish people had no right to be in Palestine until it became Israel and they were official citizens. Also, that means Native Americans in this country had no rights until they became citizens. Why do you think it takes citizenship to earn human rights?

    I think this is sick anti-Israel rhetoric we need to move away from to reach peace, sir.

    “Supporters of Israel” do not want an exclusively Jewish state.

    -“Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment . . . Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” – Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization

    The Israeli Foreign Minister is the neo-fascist Avigdor Lieberman, Israel’s spokesman to the world has some interesting things to say such as there’s “nothing undemocratic about transfer (of Israeli Palestinians)” and “They have no place here. They can take their bundles and get lost”.

    This would seem to fly in the face of your theory of Israelis not wanting an exclusively Jewish State. These two quotes are not from fringe outsiders. This is the founder of Zionism and Israel’s ambassador to the world.

    “They live rather peaceful with a 20% Arab population that are full citizens.”

    -“Israeli Arabs” are Palestinians who survived the ethnic cleansing (Nakba) of 1948, and who are now citizens of Israel. They are however, anything but equal.

    They are not even classified as an official minority by the government! Israel just wants them to be invisible and to disappear!

    Palestinian-Israelis cannot own property, because all their fellow Palestinians’ land that was stolen is reserved by the Jewish National Fund for Jews only: They are 20% of the population living on only 3% of Israeli they are allowed to own. How do you explain that? Is this just a coincidence?

    The 2003 Citizenship Law says for Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza; women under 25 and men under 35 that marry Israelis cannot usually move to Israel. This is exactly the same as the white racists in this country that had discriminatory laws that punished, god forbid, whites from marrying blacks. Miscenegation is a big push in Israel right now, it’s truly pathetic.

    They aren’t allowed access to housing and education subsidies because they don’t do the army service.

    In fact: In 2003, Israel’s own government, in The Orr Commission, said “government handling of the Arab sector has been primarily neglectful and discriminatory”.

    In Israel only 4% of the Israeli budget is spent on Arab communities, even Israel’s special relationship friend the US’s State Dept said Palestinian Israelis face: “institutional, legal, and societal discrimination”

    Since 1948 no Arab towns have been founded even though their population has gotten seven times larger.

    Palestinian Parliamentarian, Dr. Mustafa Barghouti was born in Jerusalem, but since he is now in the West Bank, he can never go back to his home in what is now Occupied East Jerusalem, which Israel illegally annexed in 1967, which not even the US recognizes as legal.

    Over 50% of the Palestinian Israelis live in poverty, there are constant shortages of teachers in the classroom, and Arabs are not allowed to attend Jewish schools AND Arab children are not allowed to be near Jewish children at their daycare centers AND the Israeli government spends NINE TIMES more money per pupil on a Jewish student as they do on a Palestinian student.

    I hope you know you’re basically assuming the role of the white supremacist in Jim Crow America in the South, saying “we treat our coloreds good”.

    “Millions of new foreigners that have never been citizens to all of a sudden be part of the legal framework of the country, especially when that group of people have been taught to loathe and despise Israel.”

    This would be the same logic as saying black people in America don’t deserve citizenship, because they are just taught to hate America and are angry about the past. This is incredibly offensive rhetoric.

    They are not “foreigners”, Palestine is their home, and no one can ever take that away from them even if they have to wait a thousand years.

    By contrast, Mr. Israel is our Home, Avigdor Lieberman only came here 21 years ago! Lieberman and his neo-fascist supporters are the only “foreigners”. Palestinians whose families have been there for hundreds of years are “foreigners”? Those who are there to hate no matter how long or short they’ve been there should take it elsewhere. The Holy Land should be a place for peace and coexistence not fascism, racism, and separate but equal.

    “Why put an emphasis on the history of the land, if you fail to mention that Jews have lived there continuously for 2,500 years?”

    -The emphasis isn’t on 2,500 years ago, it’s on 62 years ago in 1948, you know when our parents were alive. This is quite a different story, not the Bronze Age. It’s a real shame the Jewish people, that of course were always there in small numbers in Palestine (single digit %’s), that lived in total coexistence in Palestine (don’t bring up the other Arab countries that treated them bad, they’ve always been fine in Palestine) are now vilified due to the brutality of the Zionist movement, and it’s terrorist branches: the Stern Gang and Haganah and others.

    “The actual number of Arab Palestinians forcefully expelled was under 100,000 with the rest leaving by choice, natural fear of war”

    -This is truly the most disgusting statement of the whole comment section. You are engaging in the equivalent of Holocaust denial, which is indescribably shameful on your part.

    Nakba denial is no less racist and offensive than the denial of the Shoah.

    More Palestinians were driven out BEFORE the Arab countries even invaded [483,600 (52%)], than were driven out after.

    How would you feel if someone told you the Jews voluntarily threw themselves in Hitler’s ovens? I know I would be infuriated.

    I have a direct question to ask you: Are there any other genocides you deny? What do you think of the Armenian Genocide? Do you
    approve of the Israel Lobby, AIPAC killing the bill for the American Congress to recognize the Genocide in Armenia? Don’t be a coward answer directly.

    Read Ilan Pappe’s The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, if you want to take a break from your Hasbara lessons with StandWithUs and learn the truth.

    “a war started by Arab aggression – and some even left due to Arab command.”

    -This is exactly what the colonists said when making their way across America on Manifest Destiny. The “Indians” were the aggressors attacking poor innocent white settlers. If I invade your country, rape and kill your women, does that mean you’re the aggressor when you finally fight back?

    “This article may seem like a good facade for wanting peace and a real solution, but rhetorical terms such as ‘ethnically cleansed’ and a completely bias presentation of history reveals it to be nothing more than your usual anti-Israel bias and sentiment.
    Congratulations.”

    -Sorry it’s biased in your mind, but there’s no balance between an occupied people living under military dictatorship for 42 years who sometimes use immoral means of resistance and the occupying power who as a state policy uses terror, and apartheid.

    What do you mean by “anti-Israel bias”?
    Why don’t you go all Dershowitz on me and call me an anti-Semite, which is really what you mean.

    I don’t give a damn about governments; the Knesset or the Palestinian Authority, I care about THE PEOPLE! Just because I criticize Israel strongly, and call it out on its acts of brutality and terror, doesn’t mean I don’t have great love for the Jewish people.

    Israel is a country, it’s not Judaism, and the more people like you try to equate the two, the more Jews the world over will be blamed for what Israel does, and will have to pay the price for Israel’s crimes; which is no less tragic than the Palestinians paying the price for Hitler’s crimes.

    I shed just as many tears watching Schindler’s List as I did watching Palestine Blues.

    I don’t want the rest of the world thinking the decisions the Israeli government makes represent the thoughts and opinions of all Jewish people in the world. In actuality, I have more love and concern for the Jewish people in my fingernail than you have in your whole body.

  • Shaul

    P.S. Another thing Aaron brought up is true.

    The majority of Israelis and Palestinians BOTH do not want a bi-national state and know it is unreasonable.

    Forcing them to do so would go against international law and democracy.

    Why should you, Joseph, a man who lives 10,000 miles from Israel and is neither an Israeli citizen Nor a Palestinian have any legitimate say in what happens?

    I know everyone has the right to their opinion, but just loo at the title of this article itself.

    “Shut up about the Two state Solution!”?????

    While pushing a fake image that you are trying to promote democracy…you yourself are actually saying that what the majority of the people of Israel and Palestine want is irrelevant and people who agreee with that consensus should not voice their opinion.

    That is ABSURD…and you should be ashamed of yourself.

    • M. A. Gold-Shahar

      I have a lot to say, but truthfully, Shaul, Alisa and several others made excellent points, and express themselves excellently. I will, in short say, the article is belittling of the issue, horrible, and should be exposed for what it is – HATE LITERATURE. It belongs aside of Mein Kamph and other hate literature. Thank you to all who have tried to have the truth shine thru.

  • Shaul

    Hi I am an Israeli and I support the two state solution. I want Palestinians to have their own national home as well as the Jews. nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with having any opinion.

    However, my cousin was killed in Jenin, family friend of ours killed by a suicide bomber in 2002, and another friend of mine killed in the first Intifada. Oh and my father knows someone who died in the 1948 war.

    While somethings are based on opinions and viewpoints and this is an opinion piece….I find your complete lack of mentioning any Israeli deaths from 120 all the way to present day COMPLETELY one sided, bias, and shows that you do not care about human rights or lives of people…but just a smear campaign vested towards Israel.

    And yes, aaron in the comment section is correct about blatant lies, skewing, and the bigotry in this article.

    EVERY SINGLE DAY in Israel, hundreds of Israelis get along peacefully with Palestinians. This is not to say there is no conflict or we can ignore it. But focusing on the good and the positive actions that actually make a difference will lead to peace much more than any article like this in the paper.

    Go to Israel21c.com and in the search box type “Palestinian” There you will see hundreds of links to stories about Palestinians and Israelis working together, from ages 10 to ages 80, in furthering peace.

    If you, or anyone else that shows hatred towards Israel or positively supports the Palestinian cause independently of criticizing Israel wants to actually make a difference…..go to Israel/Palestine and help out with these initiatives.

    It’s easier than you think…..That is if you actually care about Palestinians more than you care about hating Israel.

  • Israel Supporter

    This article is DISGUSTING! I cannot believe the writer is using his position in the school newspaper to spew horrible lies.

    How do you justify placing the “opinion” section on page 2? In my four years at CSUN, I have never seen such a thing. Oh I know why, because you work for the SunDial. This is the worst work ethic I have ever seen.

    Joseph Glatzer you are a terrible person for attempting to “educate” people who are not aware of what is really going on.

    Israel wants peace for both sides, but not at the price of so many deaths ON BOTH SIDES.

    Clean up your act Joseph, or you will be regretting it.

  • Alisa

    Israel has had continuous Jewish existance for over 3,500 years. Governments owned the largest share of land in the region the Romans named Palestine. During the Ottoman occupation and later during the British Mandate period, Jews bought the land thanks mostly to the JNF (Jewish National Fund) at approximately double the cost of farmable land in Missouri, despite the fact that the land in Israel was mostly swamps and desert.
    In the 1920’s the League of Nations was so impressed with the Jewish-Hebrew-Israeli institutions and developments that they overwhelmingly voted to make Israel a sovereign country but left its implementation to the British mandatory power. After the United Nations vote for the acceptance of Israel as a country it was attacked by regular militaries from a half a dozen Muslim countries hoping to annihilate a nascent country. Israel prevailed and the attacking forces lost; nevertheless roughly 20% of the population in Israel are Arabs. Things are so bad for them in Israel that they build their homes and businesses there, are employed there, vote for candidates from at least three Arab parties, and try to get their coreligionists to come and join them in Israel.
    In year 2000 Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered Arafat as the representative of the Palestinians and in the presence of President Clinton, all of Gaza, over 94% of the West Bank territories, and an amount of land near Gaza to make up for the 6% of the territories where there are large Jewish housing developments (or so called settlements) in the West Bank area. In addition to this land, Barak offered East Jerusalem in its entirety even though in the wars when Muslims controlled the city, no Jews were permitted into their portion of the city. To this offer for instant statehood without other conditions, Arafat said NO. Why would someone do that, unless they don’t want a state? Or unless they are more concerned with destroying Israel than creating a Palestine. UNWRA would immediately be out of business and their regional employees, suppliers and NGO monies would also evaporate; but the definition of refugee could be redefined just as it was when UNWRA started.
    Furthermore, according to the logic in the article of one state, how would it even be possible for Jews to have full (or any) rights under an Arab government (especially one that desires Sharia law be implemented)? Did Jews have full rights under any Arab governments they lived under before they came to Israel? NO! Can Jews even purchase land in neighboring Jordan, NO. So, if millions of so called, Palestinian refugees were to enter their definition of “Palestine” and democratically take control, how would the Jews be safe at all? Israel at its narrowest is 7 miles from Netanya (on the coast) to Tulkarm (an Arab community along the 1967 border). The “Palestinians” unleashed a huge wave of suicidal homicidal bombings (in service to their cause and religion) in coffee shops, pizzerias, universities, public buses, dance halls, religious schools, etc. The author would suggest that Israel should allow people who have brutally killed their civilians to become part of their society. Golda Meir once said “there will never be peace until Arab mothers love their children more than they hate Israel.”
    There was never an official country called Palestine. There were people living there, not in a country. There was no difference between “Palestinians,” Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians, since none of these states existed prior to the 20th century, they were all part of the “greater Syria” which was ruled by the Ottomans for hundreds of years (with the exception being the mountains of Lebanon which was a self-governing millet within the empire, and the area around Jerusalem which comprised the sanjak of Jerusalem). Moreover, there are few linguistic differences between the dialects.
    The British in preparing bases and fields for World War II brought in from surrounding countries untold thousands to work because they could not find sufficient locals and did not permit Jews to work for them. It was not long before those “work” areas had equal number of women as men, then vendors of every kind with transportation and infrastructure to follow. In short, they became instant communities.
    Prior to Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, without any conditions set on the people of Gaza, Gaza was home to several of Israel’s most thriving businesses; most notable Hydroponics and Flowers. Now, Gaza is Judenrein and home to a people supporting the firing of rockets, missiles and mortars at innocent Israeli civilians. It is known that it is the Israel Defense Force’s ideology to respond to attacks and not to preempt them. In addition, the IDF gains proper intelligence to insure that they cause as little collateral damage to structures and to minimize civilian casualties as possible. So, what do Hamas and other terrorists do? They shoot rockets from elementary schools, from hospitals, and from civilian homes. Hiding behind civilians and using their populations as human shields which is a war crime as well as a human rights violation. When hostile adversaries hide behind their civilian population they increase the chance of civilians getting hurt… if they cared for their people why would they put their own children in harm’s way? Could it be that a hurt civilian or child from an Israeli response gains much in public relation campaigns against democratic, muticultural, multilingual, open and diverse media Israel where 20% of its population is Arab which enjoys over 25% of higher education seats and a disproportionate percentage of welfare entitlements (…that must be Israel’s form of apartheid).

  • Aaron

    Edit: Didn’t see you were quoting “the truth” poster above me.

    But still, doubt you’d ever respond to what I’d say.

    Reader beware, this article contains blatant lies.

  • Roman Titerman

    Joseph Glatzer wrote in the response: “You have a lot in common with the racist Benny Morris who believes Native Americans were necessarily slaughtered by the millions to build America.”

    My response: This had to be said. The author of this article is calling for a “One-State Solution,” which in turn calls for the destruction of the Jewish State of Israel. The one-state solution screams “death to Israel, death to Israel.” It appears the author has a lot in common with All-Hailed & Glorified President Ahmadinejad of Iran, who believes and publicly denies the tragedy of the Holocaust. Anyone who follows that school of thought automatically loses all credibility. President Ahmadinejad of Iran is also known for stealing the Iranian election and is responsible for murdering Iranian civilian protesters, taking away their right to free speech. He rules with the sword and opposes acts of freedom and justice. Ahmadinejad is also known for hosting major rallies in Iran in which hundreds of thousands of people are encouraged by him to scream chants like “Death to Israel, Death to America.” This President Ahmadinejad of Iran also supports and funds Hezbullah and Hamas, two terrorist organizations who refuse to recognize Israel’s right to exist. Hamas is the current government in the Gaza Strip and is responsible for taking and exploiting the innocence of the poor Palestinian population including its children, and shaping their dreams to become suicide bombers and murder Jews. Hamas is responsible for showering over 9,000 rockets on Israeli civilian homes and schools in the past 8 years.

    Going around and pointing fingers will never lead to peace. The Jews deserve a country of their own, the author is denying them that right. Palestinian Arabs deserve a country of their own, free of Muslim extremist ideologies and hatred. How many Jews need to be killed and persecuted before the world realizes that the Jews NEED a state in which they rule themselves? Detractors of Israel seek to delegitimize the Jewish state and call for Jews to be dhimmis (basically, second class citizens) in yet another Muslim country under Sha’aria law and Muslim rule. I hope one day both sides can negotiate and reach a compromise for the good and welfare and future our children.

  • Aaron

    Joseph,

    You quoted a bunch of things that I never even put in my comment. Where were you meaning to quote them from?

    You did not address a single thing I said…but just used the comment section as another platform to attack Israel.

    This let’s me know that any dialogue with you through this comment section or elsewhere would be useless.

    Good day.

  • Souzan

    First let me start off by saying WHAT A GREAT ARTICLE!!!
    As a Palestinian, I feel first hand what palestinians go through. My father left his home thinking he will comeback for all of his possesions only to find that the Israelis closed down the borders, what a shame. I have Israeli friends and so does my family, i have been around them most of my life and i know how they think…and this article explains that first hand…what a shame that is, because if it was the other way around..the world and media would be putting out every single horrifying detail to show the world what horrible people we are…but sad to say Israel hides behind America’s ignorant ways.

  • Joseph

    “Isn’t it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?”
    -The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was founded in June of 1964 at the Arab League summit in Cairo. I don’t even really see the relevance of this even if the resistance didn’t start until 1967. You are correct in saying it wasn’t a major movement until 1967, but there was always spontaneous resistance.
    “In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn’t capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan’s King Hussein.”
    -Again, I don’t see the relevance in the fact that the 22% of Palestine which Israel didn’t ethnically cleanse in 1948, which came to be known as the West Bank, was ruled by Jordan until 1967. As I’m sure you know, King Hussein of Jordan made a secret deal with Israel to not offer military resistance to fight the taking of the rest of Palestine if Israel let Jordan take the West Bank. The Jordanian Army was well armed and well trained, because they were a professional army and because they had British commanders and British training.
    I think the relevancy of the occupation since 1967; is that Israel has maintained the longest military occupation in modern human history, a military dictatorship over Palestinians for 42 years. It’s understandable you want to obscure this fact. Since 1967 18,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished. What do you think the headlines would read if Palestinians bombed 18,000 Israeli homes?
    “The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land.”
    -Turn this statement around, and the racism and hate becomes clear, “The truth is that Israel is no more real than Never-Never Land.”
    Why is David Ben-Gurion’s personal diary littered with references to “Palestine”, and why does his official biographer, Shabtai Teveth, include this quote in Ben Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, From Peace to War, “”Palestine is not an empty country”.
    If Palestine wasn’t real than how do you explain almost every Zionist saying the Jewish State will be built in “Palestine”?
    If Palestine wasn’t real then who were the people that had to killed and pushed out?
    “Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity.”
    This is true; Palestinians have always been under foreign rule, sort of like the Jewish people, for 2,000 years before 1948. So by your logic you don’t think the Jewish people had human rights before they created their state they ruled themselves, Israel. This is bizarre thinking.
    By your standards the wanton mass slaughter of any human being is ok as long as they don’t have borders the West recognizes and a representative at the United Nations? You have a lot in common with the racist Benny Morris who believes Native Americans were necessarily slaughtered by the millions to build America.
    Although you are correct in noting Palestine never had officially drawn borders, everyone in the world knew what the entity called Palestine meant, if there were sometimes disagreements and border disputes. Sorta like Israel, they also have no officially declared borders, and they are constantly at war with the Lebanese over border disagreements in the Shebba Farms areas. So, under your standards, Israel is totally illegitimate, a position I find to be incredibly offensive.
    “There is no language known as Palestinian.”
    Again, the relevance here is questionable, although you are correct. The Palestinians speak Arabic, and they have their own dialect of it, just like almost all other Arab countries I know of.
    Again, by your standards, Israel is illegitimate because there is no language known as Israeli. This is another sickening, anti-Israel statement. Just because Israel doesn’t have its own language, and Hebrew is spoken by other Jews in the world, it doesn’t mean that Israel doesn’t have a culture.
    “There is no distinct Palestinian culture.”
    What is the purpose of this attack on Palestinians? Is it to dehumanize them to make it seem more understandable when they are killed by the hundreds?
    If there is no Palestinian culture, than why did Israel work so hard to level and destroy Palestinian villages so quickly, and build forests on top of many of them?
    The Palestinian culture has been buried under Tel Aviv University, which was built on top of the destroyed and ethnically cleansed Palestinian village of Sheikh Muwannis. The city of Tel Aviv itself was built on the destroyed villages of: Shaykh Muwannis, Summayl, Jammasin al-Gharbi, al-Manshyyah, Salama, Abu Kabir, Fishermen Village, and Irsheed.
    “Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.”
    -This is just out and out anti-Arab racism. You’re basically saying the equivalent of, “You know all Latinos look the same. You can’t tell a Mexican apart from a Guatemalan, a Honduran, a Venezuelan, a Columbian, etc.”
    It’s really sad a parallel example has to be given simply because we are so immune to racism on Arabs.
    “Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.”
    -So, this means Israelis have the right to kill Palestinian children by the hundreds, because their 1/10 of 1% is their domain to kill at will?
    Please, the victim thing is an old and tired cliché. What you don’t mention is that aside from a few countries, almost every other country in the region has either made peace with Israel, or is a proxy of the US, and as such is a tacit supporter of Israel. This includes Jordan, Egypt (2 of its immediate neighbors), and Lebanon. You surely remember the Sabra and Shatila massacres orchestrated by Ariel Sharon and enacted by the Phalangists?
    Israel also has between 100-200 nuclear weapons, including the Dimona nuclear site, which Israel has never allowed IAEA inspectors in to see as well as not being a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. They also have the 11th stronger military in the world, so we don’t need to cry Israel a river for its safety.
    “But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.”
    -There is no fighting in Israel today. The Palestinians in Israel are kept under separate but equal status, the refugees outside the borders are starving to death and barely clinging to life, the people of the West Bank are under a US/Israeli supported police state where death by torture is commonplace, run by their client, PA President, Mahmoud Abbas; and there are still 50,000 internal refugees in Gaza who are not allowed to rebuild their homes and their cities because Israel is enacting collective punishment on the entire population.
    280 schools in Gaza were bombed, 18 were destroyed, over 900 Gazan civilians were killed by Israel, including 400 children. You defend these gravest of War Crimes by arguing these people don’t actually exist? Is the suffering witnessed by Jimmy Carter and Desmond Tutu “Never Never Land” too?
    -Is your bizarre rant on Islam and Jerusalem relevant in any way? The Prophet’s night flight to Paradise was from the Al-Aqsa Mosque, whether you like it or not. To call sacred Islamic doctrine “myth, fantasy, wishful thinking” shows your true colors as an Islamiphobe.
    “Can you imagine what it is like for Jews to be threatened, stoned and physically kept out of the holiest site in Judaism?”
    -Every Ramadan Israel controls who is allowed into Jerusalem to the Al-Aqsa Mosque to pray on that holy day. Only old people and children were allowed in. Netanyahu says, “Jerusalem must remain forever undivided as the capital of the Jewish people”. This would seem to suggest Israel currently controls Jerusalem including the holy sites.
    “Well, frankly, I don’t think there is a man-made solution to the violence.”
    -You are basically saying Israelis and Palestinians are by their very nature so violent they can never live in peace. I refuse to believe this, and I think the truth, the return of refugees, the enforcement of international law, and many years of hard work will lead to peace, whether haters like you like it or not.

  • Aaron Ackerman

    For starters, the framing on some of the issues and topics raised is incorrectly stated. Saying the two state solution is tantamount to Jim Crow segregation is completely false because Palestinians have NEVER been Israeli citizens.

    “Supporters of Israel” do not want a an exclusively Jewish state. They live rather peaceful with a 20% Arab population that are full citizens, Muslims, B’hai, Mormmons, and Bedouins. Israel is very diverse. What supporters of Israel do not want are thousands upon millions of new foreigners that have never been citizens to all of a sudden be part of the legal framework of the country, especially when that group of people have been taught to loathe and despise Israel.

    When you mention Palestine being a Historic land, you also fail to mention that before the term Palestine ever even came into existence, that land was Judea. Around 1,000,000 Jews were killed by the Romans, and the land renamed Palestine. Why put an emphasis on the history of the land, if you fail to mention that Jews have lived there continuously for 2,500 years?

    Also, 800,000 Palestinians were not forcefully expelled. You are blatantly lying. Just alone the number of refugees did not exceed 700,000 – according to census figures of the Arab Palestinian population before the war and after. And why am I not surprised you forgot to mention all the Jews murdered and displaced? The actual number of Arab Palestinians forcefully expelled was under 100,000 with the rest leaving by choice, natural fear of war -a war started by Arab aggression – and some even left due to Arab command.

    There is far more history that you leave out, and I am ashamed out how unbalanced and bias this article is, while portraying inaccurate history from the get-go.

    Now on the matter of a bi-national state:

    They don’t work! Czechoslovakia? Yugoslavia? There are numerous countries in the past that were bi-national and they have all broken apart and are better off for it.

    Honestly, What makes you think a bi-national state would actually produce peace? Hundreds of thousands of refugees coming into a land with millions of people -BOTH sides having tons of hatred for the other due to poor teaching and countless wars?

    Do you forget that in the twenties the structure of the land was as close to bi-national as you can get, with the British over ruling and even then, with Arabs in charge of a good amount of Jerusalem there were the 1920 riots and then the Hebron massacre?

    A Bi-national state would not bring peace in the slightest.

    Likewise, you have to remember about democracy. The most recent polls from sources such as One Voice and Peace Now, two trustworthy organizations, both show that the majority of Palestinians AND Israelis favor the two state solution. More than do favor a bi-national state. Are we to force two countries to do what the population does not want?

    Funny you mention Deir Yassin. Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen)himself wrote an article in March 1976 in Falastin al-Thawra, the official journal of the PLO in Beirut:

    “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the
    Zionist tyranny, but instead they abandoned them, forced them to
    emigrate and to leave their homeland, imposed upon them a political
    and ideological blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the
    ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe.”
    As Abu Mazen alluded, it was in large part due to threats and fear-
    mongering from Arab leaders that some 700,000 Arabs fled Israel in
    1948 when the new state was invaded by Arab armies.

    I offer some other quotes:

    “Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab
    populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their
    shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and inter-
    ests will be safe.” — Haifa District HQ of the British Police, April 26,
    1948, (quoted in Battleground by Samuel Katz).

    “The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by order
    of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city…. By with-
    drawing Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa.” — Time
    Magazine, May 3, 1948, page 25

    5. “The Arab streets (of Palestine) are curiously deserted
    (because)…following the poor example of the moneyed class, there
    has been an exodus from Jerusalem, but not to the same extent as from
    Jaffa and Haifa”. — London Times, May 5, 1948

    “The Arab civilians panicked and fled ignominiously. Villages
    were frequently abandoned before they were threatened by the prog-
    ress of war.” — General John Glubb “Pasha,” The London Daily Mail,
    August 12, 1948

    “The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence
    of the act of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish
    state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously and they
    must share in the solution of the problem.” – Emile Ghoury, secretary
    of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, in an interview with the
    Beirut Telegraph September 6, 1948. (same appeared in The London
    Telegraph, August 1948)

    “The most potent factor [in the flight of Palestinians] was the
    announcements made over the air by the Arab-Palestinian Higher
    Executive, urging all Haifa Arabs to quit… It was clearly intimated
    that Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection
    would be regarded as renegades.” — London Economist October 2,
    1948

    “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee
    encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and
    Jerusalem”. — Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station, Cyprus, April
    3, 1949.
    10. “The Arabs of Haifa fled in spite of the fact that the Jewish
    authorities guaranteed their safety and rights as citizens of Israel.”-
    – Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, New
    York Herald Tribune, June 30, 1949

    Also, 4,000,000 refugees are now holed up by the Arab League and the UNRWA not because of Israel, but because they have used the Palestinians as a political tool for 61 years. Look at the size of Israel. Can it really fit 4,000,000 more people all coming in at one single time? Who will pay for housing for 4,000,000 people in one big rush? Not even during the creation of the state of Israel did more than 600,000 people all flood to the region in one given time, or within 3 months.

    This article may seems like a good facade for wanting peace and a real solution, but rhetorical terms such as ‘ethnically cleansed’ and a completely bias presentation of history reveals it to be nothing more than your usual anti-Israel bias and sentiment.

    Congratulations.

  • The Truth

    Isn’t it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?

    “Well, Farah,” you might say, “that was before the Israelis seized the West Bank and Old Jerusalem.”

    That’s true. In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn’t capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan’s King Hussein. I can’t help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.

    The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

    Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

    There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

    But that’s too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

    What about Islam’s holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem.

    Shocked? You should be. I don’t expect you will ever hear this brutal truth from anyone else in the international media. It’s just not politically correct.

    I know what you’re going to say: “Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam’s third most holy sites.”

    Not true. In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammed ever visited Jerusalem.

    So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Koran, the seventeenth Sura, entitled “The Night Journey.” It relates that in a dream or a vision Mohammed was carried by night “from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. …” In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that’s as close as Islam’s connection with Jerusalem gets — myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham.

    The latest round of violence in Israel erupted when Likud Party leader Ariel Sharon tried to visit the Temple Mount, the foundation of the Temple built by Solomon. It is the holiest site for Jews. Sharon and his entourage were met with stones and threats. I know what it’s like. I’ve been there. Can you imagine what it is like for Jews to be threatened, stoned and physically kept out of the holiest site in Judaism?

    So what’s the solution to the Middle East mayhem? Well, frankly, I don’t think there is a man-made solution to the violence. But, if there is one, it needs to begin with truth. Pretending will only lead to more chaos. Treating a 5,000-year-old birthright backed by overwhelming historical and archaeological evidence equally with illegitimate claims, wishes and wants gives diplomacy and peacekeeping a bad name.

    • William Smart

      “The Truth” – almost everything you’ve said is either untrue or unpleasant. Or simply bizarre, like talk of “a homeland”. Palestinians had few aspirations to self-government – so what? Jews never had any aspirations to self-government – a very good reason not to launch pogroms against them. It’s quite shocking to claim that the gentle nationalism of the Palestinians is any reason for them to lose their homes.

      TT: I can’t help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.

      Because, despite being cut off from “Greater Syria” and despite being forced to accept the sovereignty of a British-chosen King, they lived relatively happily. Like you or I, chiefly concerned for their homes and families. They were not living under a brutal occupation as they’ve now done for 40 years.

      TT: Palestine … was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I.

      Jewish rule lasted 100 years before the Romans arrived (or 300 years if you insist on the Biblical account that archaeology virtually disproves). The Italians ruled 670 years and the Muslims 1311 years (less a bit when the Crusaders were there). The Jews wouldn’t have a claim even if their length of occupation counted for anything, which it doesn’t.

      TT: The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

      Surely one of the stupidest promises in the history of the world! Illegal by any measure, and far worse than many other bad things they did such as, say, the incorporation of Ireland into the British Isles.

      TT: The latest round of violence in Israel erupted when Likud Party leader Ariel Sharon tried to visit the Temple Mount, the foundation of the Temple built by Solomon.

      There was no Temple built by Solomon. There cannot have been since he was, at most, a hill-village chieftain – that’s what the archaelogy shows. We’re not even sure anyone lived at Jerusalem at the right time, despite it having been populated earlier. And the world’s first monotheistic religion was invented in the 7th century BCE, around 200 years later, so he couldn’t even claim to be Jewish!