Holocaust Denial is a Crime, Genocide Denial is Kosher

Alex Papadapulos
Contributing columnist

Every year the Armenians scattered across the earth commemorate the event that lead to their being scattered across the earth, the Armenian Genocide. What resistance this term still provokes comes from two sources, logically from two sources that will be damaged directly by its recognition. The apparent source is the present Turkish Republic, which does not want to be known as a state built on genocide, and therefore avoids the odium of being known as a genocidal state. The other, and the more troubling, is the zealous opposition of Israel and Jewish organizations.

For years all the top Jewish organizations, the Anti-Defamation League, (which in ’07 under Abe Foxman fired the head of its New England chapter, Andrew Tarsy, for accepting the Armenian Genocide) AIPAC, (which trains Turkish diplomats in ways to obfuscate the issue of the Genocide) the B’nai Brith, and the mother of all Jewish organizations, the ‘Jewish state’, Israel, have not merely refused to recognize the Armenian Genocide, which would be understandable and well within their rights as an uninvolved party,–no honest man demands tears of sorrow from strangers for his own loss, he is too begrieved to look for an audience– but is actively at the forefront of suppressing the first genocide of the 20th century.

They have created lovely euphemisms for their dishonesty, calling Jewish genocide deniers, like Bernard Lewis, Richard Pearle, and others, ’The Jewish Exclusivist School’; that is, Jews who want to keep the Holocaust ‘unique’ event. They certainly are unique, we’ll give ‘em that, if their leaders cast themselves as the defenders of the memory of genocide and the sufferers of ‘the most unspeakable crime in history’  while at the same time working hard to make people forget, denying the genocide that preceded and influenced their own. Their most often stated excuse, these Jewish leaders, is that the passage of an official statement either in the U.N. or especially in the legislature of the U.S., will adversely effect the relationship between Israel and Turkey, Israel’s only Muslim ally. “Oh,” we are to say, “they are not evil, merely political opportunists.”

There are men in prison today, like David Irving in Britain, for doubting the Holocaust; yet for the conscious act of suppressing the recognition of the Genocide,  Jewish groups and Israel are kosher because in so doing they’re pursuing selfish political interests. (To be sure, there’s a good bit of denial too: a Jewish attorney named Bruce Fein working for the Turkish Coalition of America can safely write an article titled “Lies, Damn Lies and Armenian Deaths” (Hufington Post, June 4, 2009) Which, I ask, is worse: To doubt sincerely, or to cynically suppress and to say “We believe it” and to suppress it nonetheless? The former is merely foolhardy, the latter is evil.

Even if a bill recognizing the Genocide passes this or in the coming years, it will be because of Jewish groups withdrawing their hand and allowing it to pass to hurt a Turkey that no longer cooperates with Israel, as recently Turkey refused to admit Israel into a joint NATO military excercise; or when the President of Turkey scolded Shimon Peres on Palestinian deaths, the next day in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz a columnist mused: “Perhaps the next time the Armenian genocide bill comes up in the U.S. congress, the Palestinians will help them block it.”

You know what? Maybe it will pass sometime soon, but for all the wrong reasons.

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  • akasya

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    *In spite of this, why are the Armenian archives including the one in Zoryan Armenian Institute in Boston closed? Both Turkish government and Turkish History Foundation offered the Armenians to open these archives; but the directors of the Zoryan Institute replied that they did not have enough money to open the archives. Turkish government and Turkish History Foundation promised financial support.Why did the Armenians refuse this suggestion too?

    (Nüzhet Kandemir, http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/418517.asp). Note
    that Zoryan Institute has quite enough money to provide financial support for Taner Akçam who advocated the Armenian claims while working in Minnesota University until recently.

    Why have the Armenians always been terribly afraid of establishment of historical joint commissions?

    Is it not striking that Sarafian, the head of the London-based Gomidas Institute, said Prime
    Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo?an’s offer to Armenia to establish a commission of historians to resolve the Armenian issue was positive, but Armenia was the wrong address. He also said that freedom of expression for historians in Armenia is limited and the genocide issue has become a political tool. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10426

    If a genocide had really occured, why did Brian Ardouny of the Armenian Assembly of America announce ‘We don’t need to prove the genocide historically, because it has already been accepted politically’? Why did the chief of the Armenian Archives in Armenia tell that they were not interested in the achives, but all they are interested is the world’s public opinion.

    Or why have the Armenians not admitted to an international court yet?

    In your life, have you ever seen a criminal who persistently calls the victim to bring his evidences? And, have you ever seen a victim who passionately accuses somebody of committing crime and giving him great harm but strictly avoids of bringing his proofs before the referees or going to court, and tells that he need not prove that person’s guilt, because the community has already accepted him as guilty?

    In this situation would you not question the era you are living in? 5000 BC or 2000BC?

    What else should the Turks do to face their history? Is it Turkey/Turks or Armenia and those who support them who are terribly afraid of facing their history?

  • akasya

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    Let us go to a few years ago:

    *In 2004, the Viennese Armenian-Turkish Platform (VAT) was founded to exchange documents about the 1915 events by Austrian, Turkish and Armenian historians. After receiving 100 Turkish documents, the Armenians abondened the project refusing to continue to fulfil their commitments and afterwards the Armenian foreign minister announced that they did not want to discuss the 1915 events with historians.

    *Armenia refused the Turkish prime minister’s and the Turkish Assembly’s invitation announced on April 13, 2005 which suggested to establish a Joint Commission composed of historians from both sides and discuss the events which took place during the 1st World War.

    *And the Turkish prime minister repeated the same invitation on February 2008 , in Munich at the 44th Security Conference where the Armenian Minister of Foreign Affairs Mr. Oskanian also attended?

    In neither of these invitations was there any precondition, unlike it is claimed by the Armenians.

    ***Why did the Armenian historian Sarafyan, who accepted the invitation of the then chief of Turkish History Foundation, Halacoglu, for cooperation to investigate Harput events, abandon the project, after talking the Armenian diaspora?

    *The Ottoman and Turkish archives are open, unlike it is claimed by the diaspora. http://www.ankara.edu.tr/english/yazi.php?yad=36. http://www.tsk.mil.tr/ENGLISH/8_FRAGMENTS_FORM_HI
    http://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/kitap/kitap.asp

    Even, Armenian historian Ara Sarafian from Gomitas Institute and Hilmar Kaiser searched the Ottoman archives (www.sarigelinbelgeseli.com

  • akasya

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    In an interview with Armenian Reporter, Prof Richard Hovannisian from California University and the father of Raffi Hovannisian, the first Foreign Minister of Armenia, said:

    ‘It is very dangerous to establish such an historical commission…

    ecause according to 1948 United Nations’s Genocide Convention, a

    deliberate and planned massacre is mandatory’. The Turks will accept

    that nearly 200-300 thousand Armenian died; but nobody can call them

    deliberate acts. In Turkish Archives the Turks have the telegrams

    sent from vilayets about the then Armenian upraisals and documents

    about the Armenians who fled from the Ottoman Army. So, the Turkish

    historians will accuse the Armenians and say that all these events

    were a reaction to what the Armenians did and were not deliberate’

    http://www.kophaber.com/news_detail.php?id=4726

    One of the supporters of so called Armenian genocide resolutions in U.S. Congress, Adam Schiff said “A committee about history is a struggle for distracting the truth. Turkey cannot rewrite history in exchange for good relations with Armenia.”

    ANCA and other Armenian lobbying organizations stated that Armenia is forced to make dangerous concessions by Turkey and that Turkey’s moves towards establishing joint historians commission aims to call so called Armenian genocide into question and suspend its international recognition. ANCA’s aim is to provide recognition of so called Armenian genocide by U.S. Congress before establishment of a historians committee to discuss the events by keeping pressure.urging the
    Congress.

  • akasya

    If Turks committed a genocide which is the greatest crime of humanity, and if Turkey really avoids of facing its history, and if the Armenians and their supporters sincerely want Turkey to do it, then why do the Armenians persistently refuse Turkey’s suggestions to discuss these events together with historians from both sides and other countries? For example:

    “Our objective is to have the matter investigated by historians and experts. We are ready to accept the decision of the joint historical commission. We agree for different professionals from various countries to be involved” Abdullah Gul recently said. If historians committee project could be realized, issue of so called Armenian genocide will not be discussed by politicians but by historians. Furthermore, other than Turkish and Armenian historians, historians from third countries will also be included.

    The Turks who were eager for establishment of such an historical commission, were supported by the United Nations, European Parliament and Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). http://www.tegenwicht.org/weblog_2006/67_armeens…. http://www.volkskrantblog.nl/bericht/77330, http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/93374… and was very happy.
    While Turkey was eager and very happy, the Armenians were exceedingly unwilling and very angry.

  • Armen

    Kirlikovali, unfortunately you lack credibility on this issue. Your own website expresses your views very clearly. Your views are filled with conempt for Armenians along with historical distortions and willful efforts to cast current day Armenians as criminals and liars. Your biggest problem is that you lack any sense of objectivity on this topic and you most definitely lack even an ounce of compassion for the innocents who suffered at the hands of Talat, Cemal, and Enver. Your historical facts are off, your timeline is off, your basic common sense is off, and your moral compass is most definitely off. Nothing you can say in defense of the atrocities committed against the Armenians from 1915 to 1923 can ever justify the heartless and cruel murder of 1.5 million innocents. Nothing can ever justify GENOCIDE, anywhere at any time. But you are trying very hard to do that with the Armenian Genocide, aren’t you? Sadly for you, your reasoning is no different than the reasoning put forth by the murderers of innocent Muslims in Srebrenica: it was a civil war, they were trying to break up the country, they rebelled against us, they wanted an independent state, they killed our people, etc etc etc. This is the same as your rationale, but it can NEVER justify the wholesale murder of innocents in a clear case of genocide such as the Armenian Genocide.

  • Phantom

    Dike,

    The Nuremburg trials did not convict the perpetrators with the crime of “Genocide”. In fact, the Genocide Convention was not invoked to charge anyone with a crime until Rwanda. So, to be clear, the perpetrators of the Jewish Holocaust have never been judged by any court to be guilty of the crime of Genocide. Does that mean that the Jewish Holocaust was not a Genocide? According to you, that’s what it would mean.

    The bottom line is that what happened to the Armenians was a clear example of Genocide. The word was invented by Raphael Lemkin to describe that event, in fact. Those who still deny it are either misinformed or they are disgusting people who know the truth but have no moral foundation.

    Jewish groups who actively deny the Armenian Genocide or who assist Turkey in the denial of the Armenian Genocide are morally bankrupt and should not be supported by anyone. AIPAC, JINSA, and the ADL all have lobbied the U.S. Congress to not acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. Many ordinary Jews that support these groups don’t know this about the groups they are supporting. Jews, more than anyone else, should know this and should stop supporting these organizations.

  • fehmi

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    So, it is not surprising that both the book of Hovannes Katchaznouni, the first prime-minister of the Armenian state, ‘Dashnagzoutiun Has Nothing to do Anymore’ and the book of K.S.Papazian ‘Patrionism Perverted’ are banned in Armenia.

    It is also a fact that all the copies of the book of Hovannes Katchaznouni, in all languages were collected from the libraries in Europe by Dashnags. The book is included in the catalogues but no copies can be found in the racks.

    It is not surprising either that, the Armenians even claim that nobody called A.A. Lalayan, the Soviet-Armenian historian, ever lived!

    Yes, they can ban the books of the makers of their history, they can buy politicians by their votes and urge them to accept historical resolutions and memorial laws in their parliaments, they can threaten the historians who do not support their thesis, they can sue them, they can even bomb their houses (http://209.232.239.37/gtd1/ViewIncident.aspx?id=56624), they can make the world opinion blind by their propaganda and may deceive some of them, but they can never ban scholar thought and silence all the historians of the world!

    Note that Pierre Nora, president of the association ‘Liberty for history’ founded in 2005, has recently stated that the history should not be a slave to currency or written under the dictation of competing memoirs; in a free state, it does not belong to any political authority to define the historical truth and restrict freedom of the historian under threat of criminal sanctions. In a democracy, freedom for history is the freedom of all

    (http://www.lph-asso.fr//articles/46.html, . http://www.lph-asso.fr//tribunes/49.html)

    Now do you understand why the Armenians vehemently resist the establishment of historical joint commissions made up of historians from Armenia, Turkey and other countries?

    Do you understand why Prof Richard Hovannisian from California University (the father of the first Foreign Minister of Armenia) said: ‘It is very dangerous to establish such an historical commission…’ in an interview with Armenian Reporter?

    Do you understand why the Armenians have not admitted to International Court of Justice for more than 90 years and why they urge politicians to write their history as they want?

  • fehmi

    7
    Of course they fear a question of why the Turks did offer autonomy to Armenians if they decided to eradicate them.

    And they fear the question of why and how the Armenian prime minister Simon Vratzian applied the Turkish government on March 18, 1921 and asked military help of the Turks against the Bolsheviks, in spite of the fact that the Turks committed a (so-called) genocide and murdered 1.5 million Armenians!

    And they also are very frightened of the question how the Ottoman Government eradicated 1,5 million of Armenians but in spite of this it was the Ottomans who first conceived the idea of founding an independent Armenia, and recognized it first.

    Moreover, it was the Ottoman Sultan who first wished not only the development of Armenian Republic, but that she be strong in order to retain her independence! Astonishingly, it was the Ottoman Sultan, who stated that friendly relations would always exist between the two countries.

    That is, the Armenian ancestors who created their history (the top representatitives of the Ottoman Armenians, Dashnags and prime ministers of Armenia), the Armenian historians and poets who wittnessed this period and even the Armenian murderers of Turkish diplomats are the main deniers!

  • fehmi

    7
    Of course they fear a question of why the Turks did offer autonomy to Armenians if they decided to eradicate them.

    And they fear the question of why and how the Armenian prime minister Simon Vratzian applied the Turkish government on March 18, 1921 and asked military help of the Turks against the Bolsheviks, in spite of the fact that the Turks committed a (so-called) genocide and murdered 1.5 million Armenians!

    And they also are very frightened of the question how the Ottoman Government eradicated 1,5 million of Armenians but in spite of this it was the Ottomans who first conceived the idea of founding an independent Armenia, and recognized it first.

    Moreover, it was the Ottoman Sultan who first wished not only the development of Armenian Republic, but that she be strong in order to retain her independence! Astonishingly, it was the Ottoman Sultan, who stated that friendly relations would always exist between the two countries.

    That is, the Armenian ancestors who created their history (the top representatitives of the Ottoman Armenians, Dashnags and prime ministers of Armenia), the Armenian historians and poets who wittnessed this period and even the Armenian murderers of Turkish diplomats are the main deniers!

    So, it is not surprising that both the book of Hovannes Katchaznouni, the first prime-minister of the Armenian state, ‘Dashnagzoutiun Has Nothing to do Anymore’ and the book of K.S.Papazian ‘Patrionism Perverted’ are banned in Armenia.

    It is also a fact that all the copies of the book of Hovannes Katchaznouni, in all languages were collected from the libraries in Europe by Dashnags. The book is included in the catalogues but no copies can be found in the racks.

    It is not surprising either that, the Armenians even claim that nobody called A.A. Lalayan, the Soviet-Armenian historian, ever lived!

  • fehmi

    6
    Even Gourgen M?g?rd?ç Yan?kyan (age 78), the Armenian murderer of Los Angeles prime consul of Turkey Mehmet Baydar (age 49) and the co consul Bahad?r Demir (age 30) in Santa Barbara, in 1973, was a real denier, Turkish nationalist and agent of Turkish government.

    Because he admitted in his trial on June 13, 1973, via his attorney Lindsay that he (Yan?kyan) had been a member of an army made up of 10 000 volunteers to fight against the Turks in Armenia, in the beginning of March 1915 and in chief of this army had been an Armenian general called Andranik.

    This had been prepared as four parties and had started to battle with the Turks in I?d?r, under the leadership of Russian general Dron and had proceeded to Van, they had occupied Van and meanwhile had destroyed and had fired Turkish villages

    (D??i?leri Bakanl??? <Santa Barbara Suikasti. Telephone from Washington Embassy to the Turkish Foreign Ministry, 15.6.1973, No:220 and June 21, 1973. No:225)

    Of course, even these few examples give great harm to the present Armenian thesis and lead people to question the Armenian’s innocence, their predominance in Ottoman population, and most importantly their genocide thesis.

    Of course, the fact that Turks offered the Dashnaks an autonomous Armenia (made up of Russian Armenia and the three Turkish vilayets of Erzurum, Van and Bitlis) under the suzerainty of the Ottoman Empire’, if they joined the Turkish side and stopped supporting the Russians, the other fact that the executive committee of the Dashnagzoutiun rejected the proposal in August 1914 before the war broke and that they rejected all other Turkish calls of negotiations repeated during WWI too, are the major points that are not wanted by the Armenians to be known

    (Garo Past?rmac?an, Why Armenia Should be Free?, Boston, Dec.1918, Hairenik Publishing Company p. 16-17 and Papers relating to the foreign relations of the United States The Paris Peace Conference 1919 , United States Government Printing Office, 1948, Vol IV, p 139-157).

  • fehmi

    5
    The Armenian poet Mikael Nalbandyan who wrote these lines in his poem ‘The March of People of Zeytun, was another denier and Turkish nationalist:

    ‘..?ad ?sdrugner ye?an azad/Miyayin menk mnank h?lu h?badag/Zeytuntsiner mer zposank/E baderazm yev ar?avank/ Sur, tur, k?ntag yev h?ratsan/ Mer kha?alik?n en havidyan….’

    (A lot of slaves were set free/ Only we were left who were obedient/Amusements of us, people of Zeytun are/ War and raid/ Our inexhaustible toys are/ Sword, saber, bullet and gun…….) (Nor Knar, p99).

    Zeytun was one of the places where the Armenians rebelled and massacred the Turks and Muslims.

    The Armenian journalists of Armenian newspapers published in ?stanbul, like Hayrenik, were also deniers, since they praised the Ottoman government for letting the relocated Armenians return their previous locations in 1918 and allocated 2 million liras for their return.

    They were deniers since they also critized the Russians and other states for using the Armenians as their tools.

    KS Papazian the writer of ‘Patriotism Perverted’ published in 1934, in Boston was also a denier. Because:

    Papazian critized A. Khatisian and the then prime minister S.Vratzian for not publishing the text of Treaty of Gümrü which they signed on December 2, 1920 to put an end to the war between Turkey and the Armenian Republic on December 2, 1920, which coincided with the entrance of Bolsheviks in Armenia.

    Papazian also stated that the Armenian prime minister Simon Vratzian applied to the Turkish government on March 18, 1921 and asked military help of the Turks against the Bolsheviks!

  • fehmi

    4
    The Armenian Soviet historian A.A.Lalayan who stated that the Dashnaks displayed extreme courage to massacre Turkish women, children and ill and old people and who also quoted the following report of a Dashnag officer, Aslem Varaam written in 1920, in Beyazit-Varan was an Armenian denier and he was also hired by the Turkish government . The report of Aslem Varaam was:

    “I exterminated the Turkish population in Bashar-Gechar without

    making any exceptions. One some times feels the bullets shouldn’t be

    wasted. So, the most effective way against these dogs is to collect

    the people who have survived the clashes and dump them in deep holes

    and crush them under heavy rocks pressed from above, not to let

    them inhabit this world any longer. So I did accordingly. I

    collected all the women, men and children and extinguished their

    lives in the deep holes I dumped them into, crushing them with

    rocks.”

    A.Lalayan, Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East) No: 2-3, p.92 vd, Moscow, 1936; Istoricheskie Zapisky No 2, p.101, 1928 (Contrarevolyutsionn?y ‘Da?naktsutyun’ ? ?mperialisti-çeskaya Voyna 1914-1918 gg.’, Revolyutsionn?y Vostok, No.2-3, p.92, 1936)

    Armenian T. Haçiko?lyan who told that the Dashnaks eradicated thousands of Turks with their bloody hands (T. Haçikoglyan, 10 Let Armyanskoy Sttrelkovoy Divizii ,p4-6. ?zdatelstvo Polit. Uprav. KKA, Tiflis, 1930) was also a denier and agent of Turkish government.

  • fehmi

    3
    Armenian Messrs. Ahonian and Hadissian who were the spokesmen of the Armenian delegation of the New Armenian Republic and visited Sultan Mehmet VI, Vahdeddin in Istanbul on September 6, 1918 were also Turkish nationalists. See the telegram sent by Mr Ahorian to the Armenian Prime Minister Kachaznuni:

    ‘On September 6th, we presented our congratulations on his accession to the throne. We submitted our best wishes for the development of the Empire and its well-being and stated that the Armenian nation would never forget that it was the Ottoman Government which first conceived the idea of founding an independent Armenia, and recognized it, that the Armenian Government would do everything possible to protect friendly relations between the two countries and to strengthen them’.

    ‘His Majesty thanked and stated that he was very happy at seeing the envoys of independenbt and free Armenia, that he wished not only her development , but that she be strong in order to retain her independence. His Majesty is entirely convinced that friendly relations will always exist between the two neighboring countries, Turkey and Armenia, in order that both of them may develop’.

    ‘He concluded his remarks by stating that he was very hapy to see that Armenia had the strength to found an independent state which was able to send envoys to Istanbul, and repeated his best wishes for our country’.

    (Erich Feigl, A Myth of Terror, Edition Zeitgeschichte Freilassing, Salzburg, Austria p.97)

  • fehmi

    2
    Hovannes Katchaznouni, the first prime-minister of the Armenian state founded in 1918 and the prime authority of the Dashnagzoutiun Party who wrote a book ‘Dashnagzoutiun Has Nothing to do Anymore’ was also another chief denier. Because, in his book which is banned in Armenia at present, he stated that:

    *it was a mistake to establish the volunteer units.
    *They were unconditionally allied with Russia,
    *They massacred the Moslem population,
    *The Armenian terrorist acts were directed, at winning the Western public opinion.
    *British occupation aroused hopes of the Dashnaks,
    *They were provoked by imperial Sea to Sea land demand,
    *They had not taken into consideration Turkey’s power,
    * They should have used a peaceful language towards the Turks but they (Armenian Dashnaks) rejected the Turks who suggested to negotiate with them and they went on making war
    *The decision of the deportation of Armenians was a rightful measure taken by Turks.
    *Turkey had acted with an instinct of self-defence.
    *Their government was a Dashnak dictatorship.
    *The fault was within the Dashnak Party. They should commit suicide. They had nothing to do.

    Vratsyan, the last prime minister of Dashnaks who wrote in an article published in December 3 1920 issue of Araç, that they transformed Armenia to an arenna of endless wars with its neighbours for the Entente Powers (RGASP? fond 80, list 4, file 83, sheet 136) was another chief denier and agent of Turkish government.

    • John

      For truth rather then Turkish propaganda just Wikepedia it at:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

  • fehmi

    The ancestors of the Armenians who made their history are the main deniers of genocide. Remember that whoever tells about topics which obviously abolish the imaginary past of the Armenians are labelled as ‘deniers’, as ‘agents of Turkish government’, or ‘people hired by the Turkish government’ or ‘disingenous scholars/authorities’ Turkish nationalists’, ‘Turkish racists’.

    Here are a few of the Armenian ancestors who comply with all these terms:

    “Garo Pasdermichan (Pastirmaciyan), the Ottoman deputy of Erzurum and commander of all the Armenian officials and soldiers of the Ottoman Third Army which joined the Russian Army in 1914, was the main denier and Turkish racist.

    Because, he wrote in his book ‘Why Armenia Should Be Free’ (Boston, Dec.1918, p. 16-17) that annual Congress of Armenian Party Dashnagzoutiun was held in Erzurum in August 1914, before the war broke, and Turkish emissaries offered Dashnaks an autonomous Armenia (made up of Russian Armenia and the three Turkish vilayets of Erzurum, Van and Bitlis) under the suzerainty of the Ottoman Empire’, if they joined the Turkish side and stopped supporting the Russians.

    He also stated that the executive committee of the Dashnagzoutiun rejected the proposal! The Armenian members of this parley were the well-known publicist E.Aknouni, the representative from Van, A.Vramian, and the director of the Armenian schools in the district of Erzurum, Mr Rostom.

    Another main denier was Boghos Noubar Pasha, the Armenian National Delegation President in The Paris Peace Conference 1919 who also stated that the Turks offered them autonomy in August 1914, much before the deportation, but they rejected this proposal and placed themselves without hesitation on the side of the Entente Powers from whom they expected liberation

    [Papers relating to the foreign relations of the United States The Paris Peace Conference 1919 (United States Government Printing Office, 1948, Vol IV, p 139-157)].

    Armenian Boghos Noubar Pasha, who told that ‘150 000 Armenian volunteers in Russian Army were the only forces against Turks’ (Times of London , 1919 Jan 30 Link: http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/10/2013-150-000-armenian-volunteers-in.html) was obviously a denier and agent of Turkish government.

    • John

      Absolute shear Turkish propaganda nonsense.

      20 countries acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. Why? They have nothing better to do? No, because it’s the truth.

      Rafael Lemkin Invented the word Genocide for the Armenians. Why? Because it describes the deliberate decision to murder exclusively the Armenians , Greeks and Assyrians accurately.

      All genocide historians agree it was genocide. Why? Because it not about propaganda but rather the truth.

      Lets be honest the plan was to liquidate the Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians to steal their lands and money. Even Talaat was condemned to death in a Turkish tribunal.

      Henry Morgenthau, US Ambassador to the U.S.

  • Patricia

    This comment is for Kirlikovali: What “Turkish deaths”? Armenians being a minority in the Ottoman Empire and NOT being allowed to carry arms for being Christians were only about 2-3% of the population of the Ottoman Empire. How did a population that small who couldn’t even have guns end up killing oh so many Turks? This claim is ridiculous and needs to stop. Unless a nation has super-natural power, I don’t see how that would be possible! And neither can you if you use your brain cells.

  • bunyan 10

    —And are we the ONLY ones noticing? that while
    Hollywood continues to pump out ad nauseum, seen-to-death/
    done-to-death PC WWII retreads —er, we mean ‘tributes’–
    the 60th Anniversary of the epically, eerily relevant,
    indeed, STILL unfolding KOREAN WAR is, once again,
    ‘mysteriously overlooked’?

  • Patricia

    Well said! Enjoyed reading it. You would think the country that suffered its own Holocaust would be the first to recognize it.. Guess not! Politics before humanity? That’s the way the world works. Very unfortunate.

    • Dike

      Yes Patricia, thats why Hovannisian and diaspora said:
      Brian Ardouny of the Armenian Assembly of America announce ‘We don’t need to prove the genocide historically, because it has already been accepted politically’ and Prof Richard Hovannisian from California University and Armenian diaspora said: ‘It is very dangerous to establish such an historical commissions..…

      They are sure about what happened but dont wanna go to any international court to prove it!!

      • John

        Dike,

        What Hovannisian was referring to was that during the decision and debate for the US to officially acknowledge the reality of the Armenian Genocide, not one representative denied it’s occurence rather, they made the argument that Turkey is an ally and this happened a long time etc. That is what he means when he said “we don’t have to prove it” because it’s not in doubt. It has been accepted plitically as any politician who denies the reality would be going counter to officaial US archives and deemed insincere. Lets be clear: The only ones who doubt it are you Turks and a few “paid historians”.

  • Dike

    PeterK,

    What kind of truth is that? It doesnt need laws to support, doesnt shun questions..What is that? So why we need courts or a justice system?
    “Genocide is the greatest crime of humanity and International Court of Justice or domestic courts are the only authorities reserved to prosecute and proclaim genocide according to the 1948 UN Convention. Therefore, accusing a whole nation and its generations as criminals of genocide requires strong historical and legal proofs and supports.” Yes! you need legal proofs and supports!

  • Lacy

    PeterK, if you don’t take the Holocaust as presented, you are an antisemite who needs to undergo psychoanalytic evaluation to uncover the reasons for your pathological hatred of the humble, perpetually victimized Jewish people who merely seek to live in peace with all mankind.

    • PeterK

      Truth needs no laws to support it.
      Truth does not fear re-examination.
      Truth does not shun questions.
      Truth survives doubt.
      Throughout history, from Galileo to Zundel, only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma.
      If speech has limits, then it is not free.

    • John

      Lacy,

      The Armenians don’t doubt the Holocaust but ask yourself why do the Jews help the Turks deny the reality of the Armenian Genocide? What does that say about the Jews? Maybe it is the Jews that need to “undergo Psychoanalytic evaluation to uncover the reasons for their pathological hatred of the humble, perpetually victimized Armenian people who merely seek to live in peace with all mankind”.

  • Dike

    Unlike the Jewish Holocaust, which was proven before the Nuremburg Tribunal with the trappings of due process, there has been no kind of court decision about what the Armenians call a ‘genocide’ nor has the Armenians ever applied to any court.

    Why do you think,they are afraid of simply applying to the International Court of Justice instead of spending huge amounts of money to make the propaganda of their thesis? So we can stop talking once and for all!

    • PeterK

      Dike – Can you please direct me to where in the Nuremburg Tribunal transcripts I can read about the Holocaust. I must have missed it.

      Thanks

      • Dike

        I guess you missed it..Because for you truth doesnt need proof right? For hundreds of years we use the court of justice just for fun!

        • John

          Dear Dike,

          The Turkish Armenian Reconciliation Commission (TARC), formed July 9, 2001, by Turkish and Armenian civil society representatives, requested that the International Center for Transitional Justice (ICTJ) facilitate an independent legal study on the applicability of the 1948 Genocide Convention to events which occurred during the early twentieth century. On February 4, 2003, ICTJ provided TARC the following analysis on the subject. This analysis was issued to the public by TARC on February 10, 2003 and was as such:

          “Because the other three elements identified above have been definitively established, the Events, viewed collectively, can thus be said to include all of the elements of the crime of genocide as defined in the Convention, and legal scholars as well as historians, politicians, journalists and other people would be justified in continuing to so describe them”.

          Once the ICTJ deemed the events as genocide the Turks in usual fashion just dismissed it completely.

          Second: Talaat, the mass murderer’s own memoirs were published in 2008 by Turkish writer Murat Bardacki, which was covered in the New York Times, where Talaat kept accurate Armenian death totals and in it he wrote how in one short year, between 1915 & 1916, 972,000 Armenians simply vanished off of official Ottoman records.

          Most all the murdered were civilians not an army, whose fate was sealed when Talaat decided it was time to liquidate them and steal their money and property.

          This was textbook genocide not to mention a blue print for the Holocaust and the Turkish denial is the continuation of that genocide.

          • Dike

            PeterK, how do you explain that:

            New generations may not be aware of these facts. However, their parents and the Armenian authorities are aware of all these fact very well. Remember that in 2004, the Viennese Armenian-Turkish Platform (VAT) composed of Austrian, Turkish and Armenian historians was founded to exchange documents about the 1915 events. After receiving 100 Turkish documents, the Armenians abondened the project refusing to continue to fulfil their commitments
            (I. Press Release 11.1.2005 Viennese Armenian-Turkish Platform – VAT
            The Viennese Armenian-Turkish Platform deeply regrets to announce that she will not carry through her starting initiative „The First Viennese Armenian-Turkish Round Table” (FVATR Vienna 2005) originally planned for spring 2005. The reason is that the Armenian partner has not provided us with the necessary confirmation as agreed in August 2004…….On the other hand, the Turkish partner accepted already to participate in the dialogue, in which each part was supposed to present 180 documents on the year 1915 showing their understanding of this delicate matter. http://www.turkishdigest.com/documents/VATpressrelase.pdf)

    • Gary

      Dike:

      There were Turkish Military Tribunals, which found the perpetrators of the genocide guilty.

      http://www.armenian-genocide.org/Affirmation.237/current_category.50/affirmation_detail.html

      Read up on history next time before posting your garbage Turkish propaganda.

  • Dike

    According to Caleb F Gates, president of Robert College, the Armenian population statistics in January 1921, as confirmed by the Armenian Patriarchate was as follows: Armenians in Ottoman provinces approximetely 600 000; Armenians alive 944 900; Armenian total loss 355 000. (FO 371/6556/E 2730: Gates to Rumbold, 16.2.1921, giving the statistics of the Armenians then living in Turkey, obtained from the Armenian Patriarch).
    In the light of these statistics, how can the loss of about 400 000 Armenians be labelled as ‘massacres, genocide, or proto-Holocaust’ and the loss of over one million Muslims, as a result of Armenian activities, is not even mentioned? What kind of a holocoust is it that the aggressive side suffered much more losses than the attacked side?
    (From: Sonyel Salahi. The Great War and The Tragedy of Anatolia. TTK, 2000, pp.170-182)

  • Hareton

    While we are at it, if the Anti-Defamation League is the “anti-bias” human rights group it claims to be, why has it not come to the aid of Rabbi Michael Lerner who just had his home vandalized and is being defamed?

    http://progressive.org/mc050510.html

    • PeterK

      Hareton – That’s because the Anti-Defamation League probably sanctioned the vandalization and defamation!!!

  • Berge Jololian

    Now more than ever the denial of genocide must be responded to, for denial is intrinsic to the methodology of genocide. Genocide is denied even as it is practiced – as in Darfur.

    From the beginning, the perpetrator seeks pretexts and justifications to conceal the real intentions. Thus, the extermination is referred to as ‘transporting,’ as ‘deportation’ or ‘resettlement’ – ‘moving to secure places’ or even as the ‘final solution.’ A verbal code is used to camouflage and thus deny the annihilation, even as it is being committed. Genocide without simultaneous denial is unthinkable – yes, even impossible.

    Denial is not just the simple negation of an act; it is much more the consequent continuation of the very act itself.

    Genocide should not only physically destroy a community; it should likewise dictate the prerogative of interpretation in regard to history, culture, territory and memory. As the victims – Armenians – ‘never existed’.

    The Turkish have not only murdered humans, destroyed an ancient culture/civilization and rewritten history, but they continue to legitimize the act as well as the racist ideology that led to the act.

    This includes the legitimization of any and all stereotyping of the Armenian people as a dangerous enemy, as a deadly bogeyman in the closet.

    Denial is the final step in the completion of a mass extermination – and the first step towards the next genocide.

    If genocide is committed in Ruanda or Sudan, it is done with the knowledge that the rest of the world will only watch and then forget. They look to TURKEY and think themselves safe in the assumption that their actions will likewise remain unpunished!

    The accountable powers-that-be rhetorically ask – as Hitler did just before invading Poland – ‘Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?’

    Engraved on a wall at the US Holocaust Memorial in Washington, DC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitler_Armenian_Quote.JPG

  • John

    Sorry Kirli the Armenian Genocide is not in doubt. If this was “resettlement only” then why did most die? And why were the Greeks and Assyrians also liquidated? And further, why not do the right thing and just give the land and the money that Turkey stole and enjoys today, back to their rightful owners?

    The fact is, the United States National Archives and Record Administration holds extensive and thorough documentation on the Armenian Genocide, especially in its holdings under Record Group 59 of the United States Department of State, files 867.00 and 867.40, which are open and widely available to the public and interested institutions.

    Or just Wikipedia it at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

    The reality regarding the Jews and Israel is that at the turn of the last century, a pro Zionist movement, also known as the “young Turks” consisting of Talaat, Enver & Jamal Pasha, the three architects of the Armenian, Greek & Assyrian genocides, over threw the Sultan system and concocted a plan to liquidate the christian population and WW1 was the perfect cover or so they thought. The main purpose of the genocide was to eliminate competition but mostly for the theft of property and money, as the Armenians were the well to do. Also in their plan was the idea of demonizing the Armenians as some sort of “traitors”, such as what the Nazi’s did to the Jews in Germany to get the population to go along with the deportations and mass murders. Most all Armenians murdered however, were unarmed men, women and children and the elderly. They were common citizens. They were either raped, burned, beaten, shot, stabbed, drowned, dismembered, hung, tortured or starved to death. There are volumes of official testimony of eyewitness accounts including our own US Ambassador, Henry Morgenthau and US Consul Leslie Davis during the genocide who wrote volumes about the “Armenian race extermination” as it was happening.. Today, these same pro Zionists still influence the military and ruling elite of Turkey known as the “deep state”. That is why some Jews and Israel itself work to help deny the Armenian genocide. They are protecting their own. Today,to help keep their own population ignorant of their genocide created Republic of Turkey, the Turks teach a false sort of history and further protect that with laws, article 301, banning any official denial of this false narrative by either jailing, threatening or killing anyone doing so. Yet they want to export that denial to other countries.

    There are 20 countries today that acknowledge the Armenian genocide. However, as long as there are pro Zionist that run our US State Department, then most President will have their hands tied to honor their pledge and to set the record straight as was the case with Bill Clinton, George W and Obama. How sad for the US.

    • Joseph Glatzer

      This is really funny. So Turks called Armenians “terrorists”. I never knew that. So, I hope we all remember how loaded and abusive that term can be when it’s placed on the victim: aka the Palestinians in reference to the Israelis.

  • Kirlikovali

    Jewish Holocaust is a court-proven fact; Armenian genocide is a much discredited but still promoted political claim based on a racist and dishonest interpretation of history. Genocide ignores the six T’s of the Turkish-Armenian conflict. You can never hear the truth from Armenian falsifiers and their fellow Turk haters. Armenian revolts? Armenian treason? Armenian terrorism? Armenian territorial demands? Turkish deaths at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries? TERESET (temporary resttlement)? Does any of these sound like a genocide? Or do they all combined poitn to a civil war? Judge for yourself (see the photos of Armenian terrorists and their Turkish victims here: http://www.ethocide.com )

    • Patricia

      This comment is for Kirlikovali: What “Turkish deaths”? Armenians being a minority in the Ottoman Empire and NOT being allowed to carry arms for being Christians were only about 2-3% of the population of the Ottoman Empire. How did a population that small who couldn’t even have guns end up killing oh so many Turks? This claim is ridiculous and needs to stop. Unless a nation has super-natural power, I don’t see how that would be possible! And neither can you if you use your brain cells.

  • laura

    i agree :-] all this storys men i dont even think ive read the article yet!!!!!!!!!!!!! cuz im sooooooooo bloweded

  • Berge Jololian

    Jurist Raphael Lemkin, a lawyer of Polish-Jewish descent coined the word genocide to properly characterize the barbarity that befell the Armenians at the hands of the Turkish state, and later used the term to describe the destruction of the European Jewry.

    Prior to the word genocide, Prime Minister Winston Churchill and world leaders referred to the annihilation of the Armenians as the “Armenian Holocaust.”

    The International Association of Genocide Scholars and seven former presidents of the IAGS have on many occasions (3 times in the past year) called on the Turkish state to acknowledge its crime of genocide.

    Jewish organizations such as AJC, ADL, and JINSA are in the same boat as that other high profile genocide denier – Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Rabbi Hillel said it best: “If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, then what am I? And if not now, when?”

  • Ploni Almoni

    UPDATE: It seems Israel will consider official recognition.

    From Public Radio of Armenia: Armenian Genocide issue on Knesset agenda
    Source: http://www.armradio.am/news/?part=pol&id=17384

    From Haaretz: Knesset panel to consider recognition of Armenian genocide
    Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/knesset-panel-to-consider-recognition-of-armenian-genocide-1.242762

  • Armen

    Great article, you are right on the point. In my opinion the Armenian Genocide will never be recognized by some big powers such as US and Israel because it is great tool to supress Turkey if Turkey behaves badly against US or Israel. This genocide talk in Israely parliament is joke and a side show to let the Turks know that they need to change their attitude against Israel.