Obama puts politics over principles in his Middle East trip

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Obama will be taking his first trip to the Middle East this month and plans to touch down in Israel as well as the occupied West Bank. Obama, who during his presidential campaign in 2008 pledged to work for Middle East peace, will be focusing on Iran’s nuclear weapons program and the civil war in Syria. But as White House press secretary stated, is not going to make advances on the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks deadlock.

The relationship that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Obama share is rocky to say the least, but this trip should be an opportunity to mend any differences and progress toward peace. The White House is trying to quell any expectations regarding this trip but Obama needs to get off the sidelines and draw up a plan for a two-state solution.

Obama, who accepted a Nobel Peace prize in 2009, made references to peace and aiding the marginalized, which sounded very “hopeful” but will most likely end up being hot air.

“We must be a source of hope to the poor, the sick, the marginalized, the victims of prejudice – not out of mere charity, but because peace in our time requires the constant advance of those principles that our common creed describes: tolerance and opportunity; human dignity and justice,” Obama said.

If Obama is to stay true to his words when he is in the Middle East, he must acknowledge the human rights abuses and war crimes the U.S.’s closest Middle East ally Israel, has committed against Palestine.

Obama’s visit to Ramallah is not being received with as much excitement as it is in Israel because as previous attempts proved, the peace process can only go so far and mainly offers a bandage for a much deeper wound. Perhaps more importantly, the U.S. has not been able to provide or help create a justifiable solution for Palestinians; a people who have faced severe human rights abuses including severe military attacks and bombardments, annexation and apartheid, blockades preventing humanitarian aid to Gaza, and illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land.

According to ProCon.org, a non-profit, independent public charity, since the second Intifada in 2000 through 2012, more than 6,500 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli security forces while more than 350 Israelis were killed by Palestinians. Thus, Israel’s claim of needing to protect themselves from Palestinian terrorists is a poor excuse when the numbers are laid bare. The U.S. is complicit in this mass slaughter and results in a taxpayer funded ethnic cleansing.

It’s clear that Obama is stalwart in his intent at keeping Israel as an ally despite all the atrocious crimes they have committed against Palestine and this has more to do with grotesque politics than anything else.

The powerful Israeli lobby and the status conferred upon Israel as a close ally in a territory replete with anti-U.S. sentiment has always kept the U.S. from criticizing them too harshly, refusing military aid, and standing with most members of the U.N. at Palestine’s side.

Undeniable, Obama was critical of Israel when Netanyahu announced new settlement plans and disregarded the 10-month pause in building settlements on Palestinian land. However, he did not withhold the more than $30 billion annual military aid package to Israel.

As the trips preparation is underway, Israel prepares for Obama’s arrival which they have dubbed “,Unbreakable Alliance 2013. Peace talks can and most likely will transpire, considering Netanyahu has said on the agenda for discussion are Iran, Syria, and the peace talks with Palestine. A trip like this can simply be symbolic or it can be the start of a groundbreaking initiative that fixes some of the tumultuous angst currently seen in the Middle East.

Obama needs to disregard the power of corporate lobbyists and AIPAC and follow through with his pledge for peace in our time and protect every human’s rights. It’s imperative to remember that this is not really about taking sides. Rather, when making an attempt at an humanitarian solution, we need to look at the problem objectively and not engulf ourselves in politically expediency.

Lastly, Obama needs an image boost. By implementing drone strikes in the Middle East and putting the Israel-Palestine on the back burner, Obama hasn’t looked the least bit empathetic toward the Middle East. It shouldn’t be up to the U.S. to fix other nations, but when we have heavily involved ourselves militarily and financially, we assume responsibility to act. The people of that region, especially Palestine, need to be reassured that Obama is working on a solution that works for both regions, not just an apartheid Israel.

 

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  • Jon Soto

    Apartheid translates from the Afrikaans as Apart Hate. The authors of this article refuse to acknowledge that Islamic Extremists grew up on Nazi propaganda. This is the source of groups like Hamas that sets the core of their beliefs about the Jews of Israel. Islamic nations practice Apartheid on religious minorities where as, Israel has been more tolerant of religious minorities than their Islamic neighbors. Palestinians refuse to reign in Hamas, etc. and that is part of the problem. Israel’s response to a history of their neighbor’s Jew-phobia and acts of terrorism has been harsh. The U.N. refuses to remove dictatorships from the human rights council and that is why the U.S. and Israel really don’t take them seriously. To act as if the Palestinians have not gotten recompense for their acts of terrorism, is to ignore half of the whole story. Why aren’t the authors of this article challenging the Islamic countries for their persecution of religious minorities? Answer me that one.     

  • Arafat

    Apartheid = “apart” + “hood”. This is, and has been the Arabs’ policy; a Jew-free land. This is also why they ethnically cleansed Judea, Samaria, and Gaza of ALL Jews in 1948. It hasn’t been, nor is it, the Jewish policy, and over a million Arab citizens of Israel (and growing) are proof.
    Yes children: Jews did live in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza- ALWAYS.
    Well, obviously Jews lived here during Biblical times. We all know that.
    If you look at the documents from the Cairo Geniza, dating back to the 9th century, you’ll find that there were Jews in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.
    If you look at travelers’ accounts from the Early Middle Ages, such as Nahmanides, Benjamin of Tudela, and a host of others, you’ll find that there were Jews in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.
    Rabbi Jechiel Ashkenazi, who was actually Sepharadi, purchased the Karite synagogue of Hebron in 1540 on behalf of the Sepharadi congregants.
    If you read about Shabtai Tzvi, the false messiah of the 16th century, you’ll find that his “prophet” was Nathan of Gaza, where the center of his movement was located for a period.
    In 1845, Dr. Ernst-Gustav Schultz, the Prussian Consul in Jerusalem, discussed the Jews living in Shechem (Nablus) and Hebron in his book, “Jerusalem, Eine Vorlesung”.
    In fact, except for the periods of 1929-1931 and 1936-1968, there has been a significant Jewish presence in Hebron SINCE BIBLICAL TIMES.
    The ONLY period of time where there were no Jews in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza was between 1948-1967, when the Arabs ethnically-cleansed us from here.
    And insisting that Judea be Jew-free again IS apartheid.

    • Arafat

      The PSC’s use of the word “apartheid” is ahistorical, polarizing, and preventative of informed, fact-based dialogue. The implication of the comparison to “apartheid” is that the Israelis are racist totalitarians ruling over blameless Palestinians, with no consideration for the nuances and details of the conflict. Israel’s Declaration of Independence guarantees equal rights to all citizens irrespective of religion, race, or sex. It is a country where a Palestinian citizen of Israel serves as a Supreme Court Justice; where political discourse includes Arab elected officials who are hyper-critical of Israel; and where all citizens are guaranteed the same right to education. It is a country committed to peaceful coexistence, not a country with a systematic policy of racism. By using the misnomer of “apartheid,” the PSC explicitly demonizes Israel by squeezing the complicated Arab-Israeli conflict into the same racially driven mold that existed in South Africa. We take issue with certain Israeli policies and recognize that the state is not perfect, but we base our criticism in historically accurate facts. It takes only a very rudimentary understanding of the situation to appreciate the PSC’s gross misuse of the word “apartheid.”

  • 2statesolution16

       Mr. Arafat, lets start from the beginning.  First of all your comments did not reach this forum for obvious reasons but did reach my e-mail.  So lets go point by point.  For starters I do not drink cool-aid and my name is not Jack.  Next sweetheart is for your mother.  Now back to the facts as you so recklessly call them.  Your numbers about the Muslim population (which is not what this article is about) needs to be substantiated with some kind of reference.  Next, I never claimed to be an expert on Islam (which again is not what this article is about).  It is very impressive that you have studied Islam for years, but you never answered my question as you have become so good at not doing so I will state it again in case ADHD is some sort of problem for you.  How many Muslims do you know?  And I will take it one  step further: how many Muslim countries have you visited?  In my opinion, you do not know the first thing about Islam.  But as aforementioned that is not what this discussion is about.  Stick to the issue and the facts of the issue and if you prove to be capable of making a sound intelligent argument, rather than attempting to incite hate by name calling then I will respectfully respond.

  • 2statesolution16

      This is a very well written, factually based article.  The authors have touched on some compelling points that are worthy of further investigation, so let us look at these point by point.  First, there is a huge gulf between what Obama has said he is going to do and what he is actually doing.  Which begs the question: why has he reneged on the promises he made?  My guess is that AIPAC has Obama in their pockets as they have most if not all the senators in our government in it.  This is the main source of the problem, in my opinion.  AIPAC has managed to hold the foreign policy of the U.S. hostage and funnel billions of dollars of our tax money to apartheid Israel, which does not represent what America stands for. In the course of doing so AIPAC has tarnished our image and credibility as a peace seeking, democratic nation to all of the world, while receiving billions in aid, which in my opinion does nothing for our strategic interests and actually does great damage to our standing in the world.  Netanyahu came to our congress, in an unprecedented act and gave a speech which he received countless standing ovations, then sat in the White House and dictated to Obama what Israel was going to do and made it clear that Obama had no power to say otherwise.  Now to have a war criminal such as Netanyahu stand in our congress and give a speech supported by most if not all the senators in our government was a shameful chapter in our American history, then to sit in the White House and dictate to our American president Israeli policy and by extension American foreign policy was a humiliating, disgusting display of Israeli power over the American government which should concern all Americans.  
        The authors are also spot on that this conflict is not about taking sides, it is about truth, justice and fairness, all of which have been severely missing from the discussion.  As far as Obamas purpose in visiting the region it is clear that his agenda has been drawn up by the Israeli’s and AIPAC.  Israel is in an existential crisis with more and more Arab countries rising up against tyranny and dictators which will eventually leave them as the only suppressive government in the region.  Obama clearly does not care about the well being of the Syrian people or any Arabs for that matter, but as aforementioned Israel is getting increasingly more worried about her position in an ever changing middle east, as she should be.
        As far as Iran’s nuclear program is concerned, there is little if nothing the U.S. can do to stop it, as Israel frantically scrambles to run interference she will find that the only solution is a two state solution and peace with her Arab neighbors.  The absence of which will leave her standing alone against a nuclear Iran with the capability of leveling Tel Aviv.  It is my belief that peace with the Palestinians is non-existant on Obamas agenda because those controlling the Israeli government find that there is more profit and power to be sought by continuing this protracted conflict, leaving everyday Israeli’s and Palestinians caught in the middle, while sociopaths like Netanyahu, which I liken to the regime in Damascas, run rampant in the region like a bull in a China shop in their endless pursuit of dominance and destruction, making this world a very dark and scary place to live in.
        Lastly, the author’s have eluded to the fact that it is not the responsibility of the U.S. to solve other nations problems, but we have self-elected ourselves to do so, given the uneven distribution and aid to the Israeli’s relative to the Palestinians.  The U.S. in my opinion is the only country that can stop the Israeli’s by playing an even handed objective role in the conflict between the two sides.
        Now as far as “the war on terror” is concerned the main reason there exists “Islamic extremism” is due to the state of Israel.  Terrorism in Palestine was imported by the Jewish diaspora (most markedly by the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946) seeking to establish a Jewish state under the banner of Zionism through a campaign of ethnic cleansing.  So if a war on terror should be conducted it should be against the Israeli war machine, which routinely terrorizes and brutalizes the Palestinians in a barbaric crusade of dominance and power in Palestine.  Furthermore, if it was not for the state of Israel (which in my opinion should exist in Germany) in it’s current state, there would not exist such animus toward America and I believe that Arab-American relations would be much more peaceful, fair, and functional and the world would be a better place to live in. 

  • Arafat

    ·        
    There
    is no “Palestine”. There might have been, but they chose war instead-
    time and again:

    The
    would-have-been “Palestinians” would have had a state IN PEACE in 1937 with the
    Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.

    They
    would have had a state IN PEACE in 1939 with the MacDonald White Paper, but
    they violently rejected it (and Jews would have even been restricted from
    BUYING land from Arabs).

    They
    would have had a state IN PEACE in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently
    rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).

    They
    could have had a state IN PEACE in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967
    without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but
    they violently rejected it. In fact, that’s exactly when they established Fatah
    (1959) and the PLO (1964).

    They
    could have had a state IN PEACE after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world
    issued the Khartoum Resolutions:

    A. No
    peace with Israel
    B. No recognition of Israel
    C. No negotiations with Israel

    They
    would have had a state IN PEACE in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they
    violently rejected it- as always.

    And as
    soon as Israel pulled every single Israeli out of Gaza, what did the
    would-have-been “Palestinians” do? They immediately started shooting thousands
    of missiles into Israeli population centers, they elected Hamas (whose official
    platform calls for jihad with no negotiations until Israel is destroyed) to
    rule them, and they have dug tunnels crossing into the Negev to kill and kidnap
    Israelis.

    And even
    afterwards, Ehud Olmert made his subsequent generous offer that went far beyond
    even that of Barak. The would-have-been “Palestinians” rejected it.

    They had
    many chances.

    They
    threw them all away because destroying Israel was higher on their priority
    list. It still is.

    Oh well.
    That’s their choice.

    • 2statesolution16

      Lets get some facts straight Mr. Arafat.  The international community agrees unequivocally that Israel has been in direct violation of international law since 1967.  In fact Israel is in violation of more international laws than all the countries in the world combined.  Furthermore, Israel is an apartheid state with a dual system of laws, which routinely on a daily basis discriminates against and violates the rights of the INDIGENOUS Palestinians while in some cases committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.  Today they continue to steal land from Palestinians as they have for the past 60 with over 500,000 illegal settlements in the occupied territories.  Oh and what you call terrorism did not much exist until Jews migrating to Palestine imported it after WWII most markedly with the bombing of the Kind David Hotel.  And by the way this March 16 marks the 10 year anniversary of the death of Rachel Corrie an American activists murdered in Israel by one of their bulldozers while trying to peacefully protest the illegal theft, seizure and destruction of a Palestinians home.  These are the facts and with that being said: is it really a wonder that some people hate Israelis?, if so please explain how.  Mr. Arafat please fact check and if there is any truth you can shed on this tragic state of affairs I would greatly appreciate it. 

      • Arafat

        2statesolution why is it  Muslims are free to violently conquer lands
        anywhere and everywhere

        without a word of protest from American Muslims, or any
        Muslims for that

        matter, but if Jews have a legally established homeland
        Muslims will never stop

        protesting against it? Why is this do you suppose? What
        explanation can be

        given other than as the Qur’an states repeatedly that
        Islam’s goal is to

        establish a worldwide caliphate in which all non-Muslims are
        subjugated.

         

        For instance, Mohammed was born around 571 AD thousands and
        thousands of years

        after Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism existed. But within a
        few centuries of

        Mohammed’s birth Islam had violently conquered vast sections
        of Asia, all of

        North Africa and smaller sections of Southern Europe.

         

        Now Muslims tell us that all this land belongs to them even
        though, for

        instance, in Afghanistan they killed every last Buddhist who
        once lived there.

        According to Muslim logic per Israel shouldn’t this land
        belong to the

        Buddhists?

         

        Or in North Africa all the Berbers have been forcibly
        converted to Islam or

        have been killed and now we’re told all this vast landmass
        belongs to Islam.

        That’s interesting, if not completely hypocritical. And what
        about Southern

        Thailand. Did anyone know that in the last several years
        something like 5,000

        Buddhists have been killed by Muslims because, or so we’re
        told, the land the

        Buddhists are on belongs to Islam. And Southern Russia?
        Muslims are

        relentlessly waging a slow reign of terror in Russia
        because, you guessed it,

        Russians are treating Muslims poorly and they should give up
        the Southern

        section of that country to Muslims.

         

        Or, let’s take Sudan as another example. How many millions
        have been killed in

        Sudan? How many babies and children have starved in Sudan
        while Islamists steal

        the food from aid compounds? How many women have Muslims
        gang-raped in Sudan

        all because that land belongs to Muslims and only Muslims.
        All other people can

        go somewhere else to live, I guess.

         

        And Kashmir? The same. Despite Hindus having lived there for
        3,000 years –

        something like 2,000+ years before Mohammed was born –
        Muslims tell us Kashmir

        belongs to them. Amazing logic isn’t it?

         

        And that brings us to Israel. Israel also belongs to Islam.
        Did you know that?

        It’s true. Even though it’s no bigger than a small pimple on
        the caliphate’s

        ass it is still their land and they will fight to the death
        to prove their

        point.

         

        Doesn’t the logic here make a lot of sense. Isn’t it as
        clear as day? Of course

        it is. The world belongs to Islam and we’re mere players on
        their stage.

        • 2statesolution16

            Mr. Arafat are you kidding, you have simply cut and pasted your previous comments which I eloquently responded to.  Lets try and respond to what the other person has said, sort of like a debate.  Let me explain how this works: you comment and I respond to those comments, then you respond to my comments, and so on.  So respond to my comments, do not cut and paste your previous comments and then I will respond accordingly.  I hope this is clear and fair.

          • 2statesolution16

    • 2statesolution16

           One more thing Mr. Arafat you asked me for my name and my name is for my friends.  As far as my Daddy being nice to me.  Although it is none of your business and again not the topic of this article, he is very nice to me and taught me to always be “respectful” with others, to not incite hate and never run from a fight.  I hope this answers your questions. Take care Mr. Arafat.

      • Arafat

        I just aksed because you aksed.  In any case debating with you is like banging one’s head against a wall.  I’d rather take a nap.  It’s more productive.

        ……….

        “Islam is a religion only to the extent that a wolf in
        sheep’s clothing is a sheep.”

         

        Anonymous

        • 2statesolution16

             Yes Mr. Arafat it sounds like you need a good nap.  After your nap try to read the article and formulate a factually based argument based on the issues IN THE ARTICLE.  Because you have not raised any points regarding what the authors have so clearly and eloquently stated in their well written article.  By the way what you and I are doing is not debating, but perhaps when you focus your mind on the right issues you will become more successful at challenging others in an intelligent manner, rather than as you put it “banging one’s head against a wall”.  Sleep well.  

    • 2statesolution16

        Mr. Arafat, again I have received an e-mail from you that apparently did not reach this forum.  So once again lets start from the beginning.  If you would like to write as eloquently as I do you need to focus on writing better and not insulting better.  Because you seem to be rather proficient at inciting anger and insulting people that do not share your views.  Now once again if you read the article it is not about the Muslim population in other countries.  Just to refresh your memory it is about an apartheid state called Israel.  If you want to talk about the article and the points I have raised then that would be fine.  But if you are looking to waste my time with nonsense, that is not except-able.  These are very serious issues that require serious minds capable of transcending ad-hominem attacks on one another.  If you prove capable of discussing these complex issues in a focused and intelligent manner then I will be happy to debate with you.  Good luck.    

      • Arafat

        2statesolution16,

        I don’t write two good but last I done did check “excapt-able is a poor substitute for “acceptable”.

        In any case, Israel is no moare an apartheid state than most any other state in the world.  Japan’s demographics are almost 100% Japanese.  Most of Europe’s countries (until rencetly) are 100% white Christian and now that they’re blighted with a growing Muslim population most Muslims isolate themselves (with white Christian’s willing support) in ghettos.  All of the Islamic countries practice both apartheid and ethnic cleansing too.

        Yet, for some inexplicable reason (anti-Semitism) you are obsessed with Israel and accuse IT of aparhteid despite all the facts that clearly show it is not. 

        I could list the facts until I’m blue in the face:

        *  Muslim palriament members.
        *  Muslims living side-by-side with Jews.
        *  Muslim lawyers, bankers, doctors, professors.
        *  Muslim’s free to publish newspapers, write articles in all papers, protest, organize rallies, etc…
        *  Muslim’s free to go to any hospital, any unviersity, etc…
        *  Muslim judges, Muslim policemen, Muslim IDF members.

        I can list these facts and more and I might as well be talking to an oaf or an oafish anti-Semite for all the good it will do.  So, like I wrote earlier and even if it is not “except-able” to you I think I’ll go take a nap instead because, quite frankly, you are not open to facts, you are not open to a fair and reasoned debate, you are, in short, an anti-Semite who is predisposed to believe anything and everything that portrays Jews negatively whilte ignoring all the evidence which suggests otherwise.

        So go live in your f**kin* anti-Semitic bubble if that’s your wont.  Just know your opinions say more about you and your fantasy world than they do about real apartheid and reality.

        Now go write something eloquent you stupid illiterate…….

        • 2statesolution16

             Mr. Arafat it is clear to me that you are getting very angry which does not make for very good writing.  So first your use of name calling is offensive and unacceptable.  You proved capable of reading and correcting my error with the use of except-able.  Thank you it was my mistake.  You may want to proof read your own work as it also contains many errors.  Your writing is fine, it is your attitude, in my opinion, that needs work.  Calling me a stupid illiterate is immature and belligerent.  So I am sorry if you are angry with the words and views expressed in my comments.  I am not looking to fight, but as previously aforementioned I will not run from one either.  Furthermore calling me an anti-Semitic is a poor and offensive use of the word.  This is a serious accusation to make against an American citizen expressing his views protected under the first amendment allowing for the freedom of speech.  I have not incited any hate speech towards Jews or Israelis.  If you feel otherwise please specifically cite where you feel I have been anti-semitic.  Thank you Mr. Arafat for your views.

          • Arafat

            2statesolution16,

            Communicating with you makes waterboarding look like a viable option.

            Thank you 2statesolution16 for your views. 

            Oh, and by the way, I’m not angry with you.  I pity you.  I hope that makes you feel better.

          • 2statesolution16

             I did not say you are angry with me, I said you are angry, there is a difference.  I would expect someone like you to condone water boarding in any case when you don’t get your way.  Mr. Arafat you continue to be offensive and hateful and that is a shame.  I don’t want your pity so keep it for yourself and your people.  Again if you are capable of discussing this article that would be quite impressive.  Take care sir.

  • Arafat

    Given
    that you support the Palestinians who openly advocate Jewish genocide (see
    their duly elected leaders clear-cut party covenants), you correspondingly do
    as well. It’s hard to believe in this day and age that anyone would openly
    advocate the liquidation of Jews, but you clearly do and it doesn’t seem to
    bother you a whit.
    .

    Moreover,
    it would be hard to believe that anyone would support second class status for
    women, the honor murder of teenage girls, the brutalization of gays and the
    suppression of dissenters. But you, as supporters of the Palestinians who
    regularly practice all of the above, are therefore complicit in these sexist,
    racist and fascist beliefs as well.

    Why are
    you so bigoted, misogynist, anti-gay and such hater of Jews? Please tell us
    pray tell.
    .

    And if
    to be opposed to such garbage practiced by so many Muslims world-wide makes one
    an Islamophobe, count me and all who believe in freedom and hate sexism and
    bigotry vs Jews as a proud Islamophobe.

    • 2statesolution16

        Mr. Arafat openly advocating Jewish genocide and actually engaging in a campaign of ethnic genocide are two different things.  However, what the Jews are actually DOING would come much closer to the definition of ethnic genocide then openly advocating it would.  Furthermore, do not paint the picture with absolutes because that would be fallacious.  The Palestinians are and have been a peaceful people driven to the edge of insanity by the Israeli war machine and the systematic destruction of their people and the theft of their land.  Do not try to make the Palestinians look like the problem when the majority of the nations in the international community deem Israel as a belligerent occupier, with the curious exception of the U.S.  Furthermore do not try to shift the focus on the Palestinians with your uninformed warped view of what they stand for. STICK TO THE FACTS, and when you have some compelling ones please respond.

      • Arafat

        You’ve drunk the koolaid and then some.

        Israel does not practice genocide.  In fact its Muslim population is 20% and growing.  But all Muslim countries do practice genocide and will all ultimately end up lie Saudi Arabia where there are zero non-Muslim citizens.

        Turkey:  98%  Muslim
        Iran:  98% Muslim
        Algeria:  100% Muslim
        Afghanistan:  100% Muslim
        Tunisia:  95% Muslim
        Yemen:  97%  Muslim

        Everyone of the countries mentioned above were once multi-cultural socieities until Islamic hordes invaded and changed all that.

        Every single Muslim dominated country today is experiencing a decline in its minority population groups through either forced conversion, murder and or non-Muslims fleeing.

        Just the facts, Jack.  Just like you asked.

        • Jon Soto

          Even if we give some people facts, it will never satisfy them. Mr. Arafat, don’t bother with people like 2state.

          • Arafat

            Jon,

            Thanks but I already know that! 

            I don’t do it for the brainwashed (2state).  Poeple like him are beyond the reach of facts and reality.

            2state and their ilk provide me the springboard to reach people who are still open to reason, to factual information. 

            So in a twisted and helpful way 2state’s insane logic helps people like you and I reach out to those who are thirsty for information – factual information – and for help in understanding this situation.

            2state is simply a helpful stooge in reaching out to those who care about truth and justice.

      • Arman Gosparini

        A peaceful people do not lob rockets into dense civilian population centers with impunity, then store their munitions where their own people sleep in order to use the inevitable collateral damage to propagandize for their own depraved causes.

        Palestine was given Gaza (which had infrastructure and a booming flower export industry) with no strings attached. It could have used that gesture of good will from the Israelis towards infinitely more productive goals and then perhaps earned its right to nationhood by, say, building a stable economy and engaging in trade with the commonwealth of nations.

        Instead it bulldozed the greenhouses and set up the launch pads. That is not the mark of a peaceful society.

        Palestine does not deserve to be a nation. Those are the facts, and I stick by them.

    • 2statesolution16

        Oh ya and by the way your reference to “garbage practiced by so many Muslims” is offensive, ignorant and inciteful.  It is this kind of ignorance, racism, and hate speech that creates divisions between religions and people.  I am not Muslim, my family is Christian but I happen to know some Muslims as well as Israeli’s and Jews and every people from every other faith and would never attack their beliefs based on ignorance.  Let me ask you something: how many Muslims do you know, and what makes you such an expert on the subject?  Please let me know and perhaps we can have an intelligent debate on these complex issues.  Just try to refrain from hate speech it hurts your credibility and solves nothing.  Hope to hear from you soon. 

      • Arafat

        And what makes YOU an expert on the subject, and what is your name, and was your Daddy nice to you?

        These are message boards, sweetheart.  I can remain anonymous if I want, and I want.

        I have studied Islam for years.  And, unlike you, I see it for what it is, I understnad it for what it is, and one of the reasons I remian anonymous is because I understand Islam and anytime somoeone criticizes Islam they subject themselves to violence even if it is because they publish a silly cartoon and that is because Islam is a hateful religion incapable of accepting criticism.

        Just the facts, Jack.  Just like you asked.

  • Jon Soto

    The Palestininans refuse to reign in the terrorists. The terrorists are the one Palestinians should blame for their woes. The U.N. has no moral authority to dictate to the U.S. or Israel since they refuse to reign in Iran, North Korea, and other tyrranical regimes.

    • 2statesolution16

        Mr. Soto Iran, North Korea are sovereign nations and are perfectly within their right to seek nuclear capabilities as a legitimate deterrent to Israeli and U.S imperialist tendencies.  If you want to talk about the U.N. reigning in threats to world peace, then perhaps we should talk about the 300 nuclear warheads Israel possesses making them the only nuclear power and nuclear threat in the region.  Furthermore if Israel complied with IEAE guidelines and made there nuclear program transparent as it has called on Iran to do, then maybe other countries would be inclined to follow suit.  But this policy of hypocrisy and double-standard is no longer working.  Israel and the U.S. have blown their load, so to speak, and no longer has the moral high ground or more importantly the military capability to force any country to comply with it’s demands.  Maybe it’s time these two super powers tried to lead by example by COMLPLYING WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW then perhaps they will have the backing of the international community to persuade countries like Iran and North Korea to open their nuclear program to inspection by the IEAE.  The fact is that most countries in the world sees Israel as a threat to world peace not Iran and until it gets solves its woes with the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab countries it will never have peaceful relations with it’s neighbors and countries like Iran, which by the way enjoys the backing of Russia and China, will never take what it says seriously.  Learn your history my friend and get back to me.

      • Jon Soto

         2state, your missing the point. The Palestinians, N.K., and Iran governments make no efforts to make peace. They flout U.N. rules and not one other nation aside from us, Israel, and not many others say anything about it. I know my history just fine. I highly doubt you know yours. Groups like Hamas still believe Nazi propaganda about the Jews and Israel. Palestine has to reign in Hamas and  then peace can begin. The Palestinians have to stand up to their true enemy, Hamas, etc. It is easy to blame Israel for Palestine’s problems, but the Palestinians are not willing to stop the terrorists and negotiate on a peaceable footing with Israel. The other Arab nations tried what the Palestinian Hamas did and failed.

        • 2statesolution16

            Mr. Soto I respectfully disagree that I am missing the point, I get the point just fine.  As aforementioned in my previous comments Israel is in violation of more international laws and security council resolution than all the nations in the world combined.  If anyone is guilty of “flouting U.N. rules” it would be Israel.  Yes Mr. Soto you do seem to know your history.  However, you either do not know the full story or you are intentionally not telling it.  First of all, what exactly are you referring to when you say Hamas believe’s in Nazi propaganda?  Please provide a source that supports that view, because it sounds a-lot like your opinion.  Secondly, it is the Israeli’s that are carrying out a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians much like Hitler did to the Jews in WWII.  Furthermore, Israeli aggression and the crimes they commit everyday (in fact as sit here typing) existed far before Hamas was even a thought.  It is Israel that has been in violation of international law since 1967.  While I agree somewhat with your opinion that Hamas may be an impediment to peace with Israel, they exist because of Israeli aggression and the need for Palestinians to be protected by someone against their “true” enemy which is the Israeli war machine (and Zionism), which routinely carries out assassinations, kidnappings, murder of children and all kinds of other war crimes.  The terrorists as you refer to them are the Israeli’s.  Now, if you want to talk about a solution to this tragedy then it is my opinion that Israel needs to be willing to give up settlement activity, sit down with the Palestinian authority and negotiate a settlement which is FAIR and JUST.  Anything short of this in my opinion will lead Israel down a dark path of uncertainty and even self annihilation.  I believe that many in Israel want to live in peace with their Arab neighbors side by side with a Palestinian state, but as the saying goes “you cannot have your cake and eat it too”.  As for Iran, I will reiterate they are a sovereign nation with ancient roots that cannot be taken lightly.  If Israeli’s believe they can tell the Iranian government what to do, then they must be willing to do the same.  Israel is the only nuclear power in the region with 300 nuclear warheads, they have not agreed to a transparent nuclear program and no one really knows what nuclear capabilities they possess.  So in my opinion, Israel must be willing to open their nuclear program to the IAEA and this I believe will give them real credibility to object to Iran’s potential nuclear weapons aspirations.  Otherwise, it seems perfectly logical that Iran would seek a nuclear deterrent to protect against belligerent and aggressive countries such as Israel. 

  • Aaron Goldhammer

    Kevin Kiani and Lucy Guanuna obviously have no idea what they are talking about.  This is so one-sided that it shouldn’t be taken seriously at all.

    • 2statesolution16

        No Mr. Goldhammer the authors seem quite well informed and it appears that you do not know what you are talking about.  This should be taken serious.  Israel is a threat to world peace and the U.S. is the only country in the world that can play an even hand in helping solve this 60 year old protracted conflict.  Something to think about Mr. Goldhammer: maybe the governments in the U.S. and Israel do not want to solve this problem and perhaps see more opportunity for profit by continuing to steal land from Palestinians and accusing them of being terrorists, although it is the Israelis that on a daily basis terrorizes and brutalize the Palestinians while perpetrating their war crimes and crimes against humanity. Mr. Goldhammer if you have any intelligent and/or compelling arguments to make I would be interested in hearing them.

  • BurgerLess

    The author thinks the Palestinians have no resposibility for the current state of affairs.

    • 2statesolution16

      Well the author would be right since it is the Palestinians that have lived on this land for hundreds of years and the Jewish diaspora that migrated under the banner of Zionism carrying out a decades old campaign of land theft and ethnic cleansing.  Mr. BurgerLess if a man came to your home and took 90% of your dwelling leaving you with a corner to sleep in while systematically deteriorating your life force day by day I am pretty sure you would fight back with any means necessary.  Please attempt to formulate a credible argument and perhaps we engage in a meaningful constructive dialogue.

      • BurgerLess

        A meaningful constructive dialogue is not possible if you deny actual history and reality.

        • 2statesolution16

            Really Mr. BurgerLess, tell me what aspect of “actual history and reality” do you believe I am denying?  Please be specific.  And while you are at it back up your original statement about what you believe the Palestinians are responsible for in the current state of affairs.  If possible try to provide more facts and less opinion.  

  • http://asanevoiceforpeaceinthemiddleeast.blogspot.com/ Yesh Prabhu

    During his first term, Obama had an opportunity to try to resolve the almost unending Israel-Palestine conflict; but after making a feeble attempt in the first year, he simply gave up. Now he is given a second chance, but the chance of his succeeding is negligible. He knows what he must do, but he clearly lacks the courage to stand up to the powerful pro-Israel lobbies in the US. Regarding Iran he has no quibbles to say repeatedly, “all options are on the table”, implying that military attack on Iran is one of the options; but he has never said to Israel that all options are on the table, that is, he would be willing to cut off all military and economic aid to Israel, if it doesn’t abide by International Laws, and stop expanding its illegal settlements in the occupied Palestine.

    In the next couple of months the world will know whether he was serious when he said that peace in the Middle East is vital for our national security, and in our national interest. Will he finally have the courage to remove the shackles the pro-Israel lobbies have put around his ankles, and force Israel to abide by UN resolutions and  its commitments to the road map to the two state solution? Time will tell, and soon. Meanwhile, Palestinians, especially Palestinian teen aged boys, are arrested and sent to jail every day, on a regular basis, without being charged of any crimes, and without any trials.  They endure indescribable horrors, beatings, and even torture, in Israeli jails, under Israel’s brutal occupation of Palestine, and Obama remains silent.
    Yesh Prabhu, Bushkill, Pennsylvania

    • Arafat

      Yesh you seem like a smart guy.  Maybe you can help me understand the following.
      .

       

      Why is it Muslims are free to violently conquer lands
      anywhere and everywhere

      without a word of protest from American Muslims, or any
      Muslims for that

      matter, but if Jews have a legally established homeland
      Muslims will never stop

      protesting against it? Why is this do you suppose? What
      explanation can be

      given other than as the Qur’an states repeatedly that
      Islam’s goal is to

      establish a worldwide caliphate in which all non-Muslims are
      subjugated.

       

      For instance, Mohammed was born around 571 AD thousands and
      thousands of years

      after Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism existed. But within a
      few centuries of

      Mohammed’s birth Islam had violently conquered vast sections
      of Asia, all of

      North Africa and smaller sections of Southern Europe.

       

      Now Muslims tell us that all this land belongs to them even
      though, for

      instance, in Afghanistan they killed every last Buddhist who
      once lived there.

      According to Muslim logic per Israel shouldn’t this land
      belong to the

      Buddhists?

       

      Or in North Africa all the Berbers have been forcibly
      converted to Islam or

      have been killed and now we’re told all this vast landmass
      belongs to Islam.

      That’s interesting, if not completely hypocritical. And what
      about Southern

      Thailand. Did anyone know that in the last several years
      something like 5,000

      Buddhists have been killed by Muslims because, or so we’re
      told, the land the

      Buddhists are on belongs to Islam. And Southern Russia?
      Muslims are

      relentlessly waging a slow reign of terror in Russia
      because, you guessed it,

      Russians are treating Muslims poorly and they should give up
      the Southern

      section of that country to Muslims.

       

      Or, let’s take Sudan as another example. How many millions
      have been killed in

      Sudan? How many babies and children have starved in Sudan
      while Islamists steal

      the food from aid compounds? How many women have Muslims
      gang-raped in Sudan

      all because that land belongs to Muslims and only Muslims.
      All other people can

      go somewhere else to live, I guess.

       

      And Kashmir? The same. Despite Hindus having lived there for
      3,000 years –

      something like 2,000+ years before Mohammed was born –
      Muslims tell us Kashmir

      belongs to them. Amazing logic isn’t it?

       

      And that brings us to Israel. Israel also belongs to Islam.
      Did you know that?

      It’s true. Even though it’s no bigger than a small pimple on
      the caliphate’s

      ass it is still their land and they will fight to the death
      to prove their

      point.

       

      Doesn’t the logic here make a lot of sense. Isn’t it as
      clear as day? Of course

      it is. The world belongs to Islam and we’re mere players on
      their stage.

      • 2statesolution16

          Mr. Arafat you seem to have a problem with writing a-lot of words and not supporting them with any actual facts.  So to that end I will help you out.  First, can you provide any factually based examples, besides your opinion, of Muslims violently conquering lands.  Next, Israel is a legally established country within 1948 borders, and it is not just Muslims that are protesting against it’s “illegal” theft of Palestinian land but most of the nations in the world, including Christians, Jews, Europeans and so on.  These are facts.  And by the way wikipedia is not a credible source on quoting the Qu’ran.  You don’t seem to know the first thing about Islam, except how to misrepresent it.  Unfortunately, I am not inclined to respond to all the nonsense you have written about Islam.  What I can say Mr. Arafat is that the issue is not about Islam it is about the illegal theft , occupation and destruction of Palestinian land with the help of the U.S. to the tune of 3 billion dollars of our tax paying dollars a year and not to mention all kinds of other aid given to that apartheid state.  Now if you want to talk about the real issue which is Israeli and Zionist imperialist tendencies and the U.S. and Obamas complicity in these injustices, then lets get it on.  But do not think you can side step the real issue, by trying to distract us with your offensive nonsense about Islam.  If what you say is so true then why don’t you write an article and have it published.  I will tell you why: because it is nonsense, unless of course you try to publish it in an Israeli newspaper which caters to people that have no problem living a lie.  I hope to hear from you soon Mr. Arafat.

        • Arafat

          My goal in life is to write as clearly and eloquently as you do.  ROFLOL.

          Examples of Muslims violently capturing land?  Wow, that’s a real tough one.

          1)  Sudan:  Last three decades
          2)  Mali:  Today
          3)  Pakistan and Bangladesh:  Last several centuries – these once Hindu and Buddhist countries are now 90%+  Muslim.
          4)  All of Northern Africa:  Once a multi-cultural area is now almost entirely Muslim
          5)  Afghanistan:  Once a Buddhist country is now 100% Muslim and the Muslims are even destroying the Buddhist statues and historic relics (as they are also doing in Mali/Timbuktu and are talking about doing in Egypt vis-a-vis the Pyrimads).

          • Arafat

            Here’s your international community:

            No, the UN is not a club of morons. It has become a
            multi-billion-dollar bureaucracy of career wonks, parasites, moochers, useless
            diplomats, well-paid support staff, professional courtiers, ass-kissers,
            flesh-eating zombies, and altruist snobs, paid for largely by U.S.
            contributions and dues. The UN is a signal instance of how we are paying for
            our own destruction.

             

            There isn’t a single UN agency that has done a lick of good. It
            has never solved the “problems” of hunger, disease, and poverty, and
            never will, because it has a vested interest in perpetuating those things. The
            only good thing it has done was to approve the creation of Israel, and that was
            in the way of an apology for the West not having opposed Nazi Germany early
            enough to prevent WWII, as a kind of compensation for the Holocaust.

             

            No good could ever come from a formal association with what has
            become a clique of dictatorships, authoritarian régimes, welfare states, and
            feudal monarchies, for the alleged purpose of advancing “peace.” But
            ever since its creation the world has seen more strife, turmoil, butchery,
            misery, and slaughter than in any other period of human history, except perhaps
            during the Dark Ages, when the competition in death was between disease and
            savages.

          • Arafat

            And here’s more:

            Israel should also withdraw immediately from the United Nations
            (whose full name seems more accurately to be UNAI, the United Nations Against
            Israel) and help found a robust league of democracies, a new body where human
            rights violators don’t preside over human rights councils and where blocs of
            Islamists and communists don’t dictate to progressive republics. The UN might
            have arguably been the greatest endeavor man ever embarked upon; instead, it is
            a tiresome farce run by malevolent circus clowns. This is one club to which the
            Jew, and the Jewish State, should not belong and not wish to belong.

          • Arafat

            And more still:

            GENEVA, Dec. 10 – UN Watch condemned
            today’s election of Mauritania, a country that allows 800,000 of its citizens
            to live as slaves, as Vice-President of the UN Human Rights Council.

            In addition, the Geneva-based group also announced the failure of
            its yearlong campaign, with 55 MPs and NGOs, to get UNESCO to remove Syria from
            its human rights committee.

          • Arafat

            And yet more:

            For the last hundred years the best and brightest of the
            civilized world have been engaged in the business of peace. In the days before
            the Nobel Peace Prize became a joke, it was expected that scientific progress
            would lead to moral progress. Nations would accept international laws and
            everyone would get together to replace wars with international conferences.

             

            Instead technological progress just gave us better ways to
            kill each other. There have been few innovations in the moral technology of
            global harmony since Immanuel Kant’s “Perpetual Peace” laid out a plan to grant
            world citizenship to all refugees and outlaw all armies, invasions and
            atrocities with the whole shebang would be overseen by a League of Nations.

             

            That was in 1795 and Kant’s plan was at least more
            reasonable than anything we have two-hundred years later today because it at
            least set out to limit membership in this body to free republics. If we had
            done that with the United Nations, it could conceivably have become something
            resembling a humane organization. Instead it’s a place where the dictators of
            the world stop by to give speeches about human rights for a show that’s funnier
            than anything you could find eight blocks away at the Broadway Comedy Club.

          • 2statesolution16

               I’m not sure who this erratically written comment is intended for, but lets look at some facts here.  Israel got it’s statehood through the U.N. and it did not seem to have a problem with it then. Now that it has what it wants it does not like that the international community has condemned it for it’s war crimes and crimes against humanity.  And I disagree with your opinion that the only good thing the U.N. did was recognize Israel, this was a big mistake in my opinion.  And if you think the west should have compensated Jews for standing by while Hitler massacred millions you and I agree on one thing.  However the state of Israel had nothing to do with Palestine and as previously aforementioned I believe Israel should have been established in Germany, since the holocaust was NOT the fault of the West or the Palestinians but should lie solely with the Germans who actually did commit crimes against humanity.

    • Jon Soto

      Indecente, you act like the Palestinians don’t have innocent blood on their hands.

    • 2statesolution16

        Yesh Prabhu, bravo on your spot on assessment of the current state of affairs.  You are in my opinion well aware of Obamas poor performance as a leader in this peace process and his shameful efforts to take any meaningful action.  Like so many presidents before him, with the exception of Jimmy Carter (a real American hero) he has bowed to the Israeli lobby and shown no back bone.  Netanyahu made a clown of Obama IN THE WHITE HOUSE and showed the world what a circus our congress has become when it allowed that war criminal to stand before congress and give his speech which received countless standing ovations, in an unprecedented display of unconditional reckless support of a man and a country out of control.  You are right Obama has and likely never will stand up to the Israeli lobby, despite all his stellar qualities he is just too weak or perhaps he is being paid too well by AIPAC.  One thing that is for certain is that the unconditional support given to Israel is not in Americas national interests, but is in someone’s interests.  I don’t know about most Americans but I don’t think we should give Israel one penny let alone 3 Billion dollars, and I defy any of these readers to give me one reason why we should, JUST ONE REASON.  They are not a strategic ally they are and should be branded a strategic liability.
         Meanwhile as you so accurately put it, and perhaps through no fault of your own understated, the brutality, indescribable horrors, crimes against humanity, and war crimes perpetrated by Israel against the Palestinians on a daily basis.  Thank you for your accurate and intelligent remarks.  It is shameful to read some of the comments posted and it is obvious to me that, roughly speaking, there are two general types of people: level minded individuals seeking truth, justice and peace, and greedy, hateful, psychopaths that seek to destroy anything good in this world who lack comprehension of how precious life is.  Obviously I believe you fall in the former category.  This country needs more hero’s like you that are willing to objectively view a highly complicated and serious issue such as this.  So I say thank God for people like you, I just hope others can and are willing to learn from you.  Take care man.